Mr Titford & Mr Allison: Fools & EU money (Mod: Alleged)

Geoffrey Collier · 02-07-2008, 03:15 PM

The Rowntree Foundation, report that we need a minimum income of £13.400 (Gross) to survive. Of equal importance, is the claim, that to effectively participate in society, we need theatre tickets, a bottle of wine and bird feed. I accept that wine and theatre are reasonable wants, but the bird feed is the worrying bit. Is there any evidence that UKIP membership induces a craving for bird food? Are the little 'chirpers' on this site eating too much of the stuff? Many seem to have a strong propensity to snatch fantasy from the jaws of truth and to repeatedly mistake the hole for the doughnut. Others, for want either of political experience or sources of information, just shout evidence, evidence, evidence, as the necessary evidence that they are residents on the moral high-ground.
It makes them feel good, while having no impact on the real world. Anyone who disseminates wantonly, on a site like this, evidence appertaining to an actual investigation, are the enemies of the legal process and not its friends. Those who incessantly incite others to publish evidence are advertising their ignorance and not their erudition. I am sure that there are exceptions, but usually in UKIP, not a starling falls to earth, without the political consequences being known to me. It is important that the leadership knows that any machinations are known to the membership. The central message is that they must change, when what they are doing is wrong. It is as simple as that.

In this country, when any new peace movement, animal welfare group, or political party, is established; in that order, their activities are well monitored. Overwhelmingly, the majority of their supporters will be decent and honourable people, but those same organisations will also attract extremists, and those who try to monopolise the organisation for personal gain. That is why we must remain vigilant and tolerate no irregularities which harm our cause or threaten the social repose.

chikrodah · 02-07-2008, 03:25 PM

A jug of wine, a pack of Trill and thou beside me in the wilderness, Geoffrey?

mrabody · 02-07-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier

The Rowntree Foundation, report that we need a minimum income of £13.400 (Gross) to survive. Of equal importance, is the claim, that to effectively participate in society, we need theatre tickets, a bottle of wine and bird feed. I accept that wine and theatre are reasonable wants, but the bird feed is the worrying bit. Is there any evidence that UKIP membership induces a craving for bird food? Are the little 'chirpers' on this site eating too much of the stuff? Many seem to have a strong propensity to snatch fantasy from the jaws of truth and to repeatedly mistake the hole for the doughnut. Others, for want either of political experience or sources of information, just shout evidence, evidence, evidence, as the necessary evidence that they are residents on the moral high-ground.
It makes them feel good, while having no impact on the real world. Anyone who disseminates wantonly, on a site like this, evidence appertaining to an actual investigation, are the enemies of the legal process and not its friends. Those who incessantly incite others to publish evidence are advertising their ignorance and not their erudition. I am sure that there are exceptions, but usually in UKIP, not a starling falls to earth, without the political consequences being known to me. It is important that the leadership knows that any machinations are known to the membership. The central message is that they must change, when what they are doing is wrong. It is as simple as that.

In this country, when any new peace movement, animal welfare group, or political party, is established; in that order, their activities are well monitored. Overwhelmingly, the majority of their supporters will be decent and honourable people, but those same organisations will also attract extremists, and those who try to monopolise the organisation for personal gain. That is why we must remain vigilant and tolerate no irregularities which harm our cause or threaten the social repose.

I'll have some of what he's having!

mrabody · 02-07-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HULKMAN

Name names. You are going to look very silly if Titford and co are charged! I phoned Olaf and they refused to confirm or deny the allegations against Titford and Gulleford. They could have denied them but refused to do so. Makes you think!

You poor dear, you actually believe that OLAF which is a branch of the undemocratic EU would actually act in a non-partisan manner? I don't doubt that there are investigatory files open on every UKIP MEP. I expect that if we elect new MEPs next year, files will be opened on them immediate. I predict that if you were to phone OLAF two days after next year's Euro Elections and asked the same question in relation to newly elected UKIP MEPs, they would refuse to confirm or deny whether any investigations were ongoing.

I predict that nothing will come of these allegations surrounding Mr. Gulleford, Mr. Titford, and Steve Allison.

Geoffrey Collier · 02-07-2008, 04:22 PM

Chikrodah: That would be a really trilling experience.

Bob FM · 02-07-2008, 04:52 PM

Interesting, so people want to know my source but aren't prepared to disclose theirs. The difference of course is that I am not making serious allegations without any evidence to back it up, and why are you commenting on your own posts Hulkman, could it just be you posted as the wrong person.

Anthony Butcher · 02-07-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob FM

why are you commenting on your own posts Hulkman, could it just be you posted as the wrong person.

Sockpuppets? Surely not!

mrabody · 02-07-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

Sockpuppets? Surely not!

Oh I'm pretty sure they are. The style of writing by Star/Eagle/Hulkman (or as I now call them Liar McChicken) are all very similar. They seem to be averaging a new member every week or so and they all take an inordinate degree of interest in Mr. Gulleford.

Tom Wilde · 02-07-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mrabody

Oh I'm pretty sure they are. The style of writing by Star/Eagle/Hulkman (or as I now call them Liar McChicken) are all very similar.

Yes, that's an odd thing, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by mrabody

They seem to be averaging a new member every week or so and they all take an inordinate degree of interest in Mr. Gulleford.

Yes, I wonder what Mr McChicken's motive is for wanting to smear Mr. Gulleford?

Peterc · 03-07-2008, 10:00 AM

So Eagle/PeterC/Star or whatever your name is publish or be damned.

mrabody, my name as you know is Peter Cole, I am the Office Manager to Tom Wise MEP.

The only person who has accused me directly of being 'STAR' is Peter Reeve, I can assure you that I have never, and neither has Tom used the pseudonym STAR or EAGLE and again I repeat the information on Mr Titford and Mr Gulleford has not come from either Tom Wise MEP or myself!

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02-07-2008, 03:15 PM	#31 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,323	The Rowntree Foundation, report that we need a minimum income of £13.400 (Gross) to survive. Of equal importance, is the claim, that to effectively participate in society, we need theatre tickets, a bottle of wine and bird feed. I accept that wine and theatre are reasonable wants, but the bird feed is the worrying bit. Is there any evidence that UKIP membership induces a craving for bird food? Are the little 'chirpers' on this site eating too much of the stuff? Many seem to have a strong propensity to snatch fantasy from the jaws of truth and to repeatedly mistake the hole for the doughnut. Others, for want either of political experience or sources of information, just shout evidence, evidence, evidence, as the necessary evidence that they are residents on the moral high-ground. It makes them feel good, while having no impact on the real world. Anyone who disseminates wantonly, on a site like this, evidence appertaining to an actual investigation, are the enemies of the legal process and not its friends. Those who incessantly incite others to publish evidence are advertising their ignorance and not their erudition. I am sure that there are exceptions, but usually in UKIP, not a starling falls to earth, without the political consequences being known to me. It is important that the leadership knows that any machinations are known to the membership. The central message is that they must change, when what they are doing is wrong. It is as simple as that. In this country, when any new peace movement, animal welfare group, or political party, is established; in that order, their activities are well monitored. Overwhelmingly, the majority of their supporters will be decent and honourable people, but those same organisations will also attract extremists, and those who try to monopolise the organisation for personal gain. That is why we must remain vigilant and tolerate no irregularities which harm our cause or threaten the social repose.

02-07-2008, 03:25 PM	#32 (permalink)
chikrodah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 1,872	A jug of wine, a pack of Trill and thou beside me in the wilderness, Geoffrey?

02-07-2008, 04:22 PM	#35 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,323	Chikrodah: That would be a really trilling experience.

02-07-2008, 04:52 PM	#36 (permalink)
Bob FM Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 2,148	Interesting, so people want to know my source but aren't prepared to disclose theirs. The difference of course is that I am not making serious allegations without any evidence to back it up, and why are you commenting on your own posts Hulkman, could it just be you posted as the wrong person.

03-07-2008, 10:00 AM	#40 (permalink)
Peterc Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: BEDFORDSHIRE Posts: 65 Party: UKIP	So Eagle/PeterC/Star or whatever your name is publish or be damned. mrabody, my name as you know is Peter Cole, I am the Office Manager to Tom Wise MEP. The only person who has accused me directly of being 'STAR' is Peter Reeve, I can assure you that I have never, and neither has Tom used the pseudonym STAR or EAGLE and again I repeat the information on Mr Titford and Mr Gulleford has not come from either Tom Wise MEP or myself!