Mr Titford & Mr Allison: Fools & EU money (Mod: Alleged)

Bob FM · 02-07-2008, 10:28 AM

Peterc, it has been categorically denied, to me personally.

Peterc · 02-07-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob FM

Peterc, it has been categorically denied, to me personally.

On the forum? if not why not?

mrabody · 02-07-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Peterc

On the forum? if not why not?

Probably because they do not want to give any credence or respectibility to someone who is clearly a bitter individual with an agenda but who has failed to provide any proof.

If Eagle/PeterC/Star whatever the loser's name is this week had credible evidence and he/she/it (I say it, as there is always a possibility given the numerous identities this person adopts, that there may be shapeshifting alien lizards as alleged by Mr. Icke and I wouldn't want to presume upon the biology of such a creature which may belong to a sex or gender with no equivalent on Earth) presented it to this forum for all to see, then Mr. Titford would probably have to resign the UKIP whip as Mr. Wise has done. Mr. Gulleford would be publicly damaged and would not be able to stand as an MEP.

But clearly there is no credible evidence. So he/she/it makes allegations of police and OLAF investigations, in order to smear Mr. Titford and more importanly Mr. Gulleford who is clearly the focus his/her/its bile.

If he/she/it really had any evidence, the simplest way to destroy Mr. Gulleford and by association Mr. Titford, would be simply to put it out in the public domain, on this forum and elsewhere and let the rest of us judge it, and if it is found credible, deal with these nefarious miscreants.

So Eagle/PeterC/Star or whatever your name is publish or be damned.

Until Eagle/PeterC/Star or whatever his/her/its name is, actually puts up I propose that we refer to him/her/it as Lier McChicken.

By way of disclosure, I have never met or communicated with Mr. Gulliford. I have met Mr. Titford on two occasions, and have had a brief email correspondence with him once. He strikes me as a sober honest chap on first meeting, but I do not know him well enough to say that he is incapable of fraud. Therefore I'm happy to review the evidence and form my own opinion. If upon being presented with the evidence by Lier McChicken, I come to the conclusion that these alleged payments were in any way fraudulent I will campaign to have these two men removed from any position of influence in UKIP.

So how about it Lier McChicken. Put up or shut up.

mrabody · 02-07-2008, 11:20 AM

You know, I'm really curious to know what Mr. Gulleford did to earn the hatred of Liar McChicken. This goes far beyond any wish to clean up UKIP such as Geoffrey Collier expresses (I believe Geoffrey is honest in his desire to rectify the problems in the party, I just wish he would not take so much obvious joy and satisfaction from nasty rumours and innuendos). In this case it's clearly personal.

So come on Liar McChicken, why don't you tell us what Mr. Gulleford did. Did he bully you when you were still in shortpants? Did he steal your girlfriend? Did he steal your girlfriend, wife, daughter and mother? Did he gazump you on a house purchase? Come on, talk about it, tell us how you really feel. It'll do you a world of good to get all this hatred and bile off your chest.

Bob FM · 02-07-2008, 12:30 PM

mrabody, you are right they do not want to dignify the lies by publicly commenting.

HULKMAN · 02-07-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

I think that what he is referring to is that at least two of UKIP's Regional Organisers used to be paid for by MEPs in different regions. Roger Knapman used to pay for the Welsh RO and Titford paid for Steve Allison in the North East, IIRC. If anyone has any better information on this, please do correct it.

This was clearly a breach of the rules (and thus 'illegal') because there was no reasonable work that could be done for an MEP in a different region. UKIP has recognised this and corrected the situation, apparently, and the ROs are now known as Political Coordinators, I think, and only employed in the same region as their MEP. They are then free to act for UKIP in other regions in their free time.

So Titford and Allison WERE misusing EU money! Eagle was right but a bit late.
Why were they allowed to get away with it? We can't attack the EU for corruption but then do it ourselves as soon as we get elected to Brussels!

HULKMAN · 02-07-2008, 01:13 PM

I should have also said that it doesn't matter if Titford and Allison did this last year or six years ago. It was wrong and they should not be allowed to get away with it. If we don't deal with corrupt elements in UKIP we don't deserve to win votes.

HULKMAN · 02-07-2008, 01:24 PM

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It seems to me that eagle clearly has inside information. Has Tom Wise decided to spill the beans in order to get his own back? Has he done it in order to get a lighter sentence?

I can assure you that this information is NOT coming either from Tom Wise MEP himself or from his office, as you say Eagle certainly has information. I also note that although this is the 3rd posting Eagle has made there has been no deniel from either Mr Titford MEP or from Mr Gulleford!!

I assume that PeterC is Peter Cole? Thanks for your statement. However, I still think Tom Wise is involved but I could be wrong. I was told that he would take others with him if found guilty.

HULKMAN · 02-07-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HULKMAN

I should have also said that it doesn't matter if Titford and Allison did this last year or six years ago. It was wrong and they should not be allowed to get away with it. If we don't deal with corrupt elements in UKIP we don't deserve to win votes.

If Titford and Allison had any honour they would resign. They are as bad as the bureaucrats in the EU. Without decency.

HULKMAN · 02-07-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob FM

Peterc, it has been categorically denied, to me personally.

Name names. You are going to look very silly if Titford and co are charged! I phoned Olaf and they refused to confirm or deny the allegations against Titford and Gulleford. They could have denied them but refused to do so. Makes you think!

02-07-2008, 11:20 AM	#24 (permalink)
mrabody Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 549	You know, I'm really curious to know what Mr. Gulleford did to earn the hatred of Liar McChicken. This goes far beyond any wish to clean up UKIP such as Geoffrey Collier expresses (I believe Geoffrey is honest in his desire to rectify the problems in the party, I just wish he would not take so much obvious joy and satisfaction from nasty rumours and innuendos). In this case it's clearly personal. So come on Liar McChicken, why don't you tell us what Mr. Gulleford did. Did he bully you when you were still in shortpants? Did he steal your girlfriend? Did he steal your girlfriend, wife, daughter and mother? Did he gazump you on a house purchase? Come on, talk about it, tell us how you really feel. It'll do you a world of good to get all this hatred and bile off your chest. Last edited by mrabody; 02-07-2008 at 11:22 AM.

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02-07-2008, 10:28 AM	#21 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,125	Peterc, it has been categorically denied, to me personally.

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Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,125	mrabody, you are right they do not want to dignify the lies by publicly commenting.

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HULKMAN Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 92	I should have also said that it doesn't matter if Titford and Allison did this last year or six years ago. It was wrong and they should not be allowed to get away with it. If we don't deal with corrupt elements in UKIP we don't deserve to win votes.