Mr Titford & Mr Allison: Fools & EU money (Mod: Alleged)

tamashi · 01-07-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mrabody

What proof is there is there that any transaction between Mr. Titford and Mr. Allison was corrupt or that EU funds were misused?

Since when has this forum bothered with proof? Let's just sling enough mud around and some of it will stick!

Anthony Butcher · 01-07-2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mrabody

What proof is there is there that any transaction between Mr. Titford and Mr. Allison was corrupt or that EU funds were misused?

I think that what he is referring to is that at least two of UKIP's Regional Organisers used to be paid for by MEPs in different regions. Roger Knapman used to pay for the Welsh RO and Titford paid for Steve Allison in the North East, IIRC. If anyone has any better information on this, please do correct it.

This was clearly a breach of the rules (and thus 'illegal') because there was no reasonable work that could be done for an MEP in a different region. UKIP has recognised this and corrected the situation, apparently, and the ROs are now known as Political Coordinators, I think, and only employed in the same region as their MEP. They are then free to act for UKIP in other regions in their free time.

tamashi · 01-07-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

UKIP has recognised this and corrected the situation.

End of story!

I have spoken with Steve and he confirmed this is a re-hash of an old, old allegation that was cleared up years ago. As Head of Elections any payments Steve receives are made only through Head Office. Steve is not on the staff of any MEP on a full time, part time, retained contract, or any other basis. Steve's other role in UKIP as North East Organiser is a part time, unpaid post.

Mind you, Brussels staff employed by an MEP are not based in that MEP's Region! Is that illegal. If an MEP in Scotland commissioned a research project from the London School of Economics would that be illegal? What about employing a graphic design company to work on a newsletter for an MEP. If the company were based outside the MEP's home region would that be illegal? Saying no legitimate work can be done on behalf of an MEP by anyone based outside their region is actually not true!

Anthony Butcher · 01-07-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tamashi

Saying no legitimate work can be done on behalf of an MEP by anyone based outside their region is actually not true!

To be fair I didn't say that no legitimate work could be done for an MEP in a different region by anyone. I was very specifically talking about the Regional Organisers.

tamashi · 01-07-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

To be fair I didn't say that no legitimate work could be done for an MEP in a different region by anyone. I was very specifically talking about the Regional Organisers.

So you are saying an individual who happens to have an unpaid post as a Regional Organiser in one region cannot carry out legitimate work for an MEP from a different region? What about researching a paper using the internet? Can that only be done from a computer in the MEP's own region? How about dealing with correspondence or e-mails? If an MEP is in region X and receives post in Brussels which is scanned and e-mailed to the MEP's Political Assistant who happens to live in region Region Y then why is that a problem? You could have a situation where someone who lives 10 miles from an MEP's Office is in a different Region while someone who lives 50 miles away is in the same region. The people on this forum are just looking for problems that do not exist!

tamashi · 01-07-2008, 11:58 PM

Lets face it this whole thread is about two things. Firstly its an attack on Steve Allison for daring to put his name forward as an MEP

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Originally Posted by Eagle

East Midlands UKIP MEP wannabee Steve Allison.............

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Originally Posted by HULKMAN

I will not be voting for Mr Allison in the Euros thats for sure

and secondly its using Steve Allison to attack Stuart Gulleford

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Originally Posted by Eagle

Mr S.Gulleford knew about this misuse of EU funds and yet kept silent. Why?

So in the end its just another example of individuals with private agendas twisting facts to attack people who are doing their best to fight the EU and get our country back!

Anthony Butcher · 02-07-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tamashi

So you are saying an individual who happens to have an unpaid post as a Regional Organiser in one region cannot carry out legitimate work for an MEP from a different region?

No I am saying that the full time, full pay Regional Organisers who were in regions different to their employer weren't a legit use of MEP expenses which is why UKIP stopped doing it. Even Denis Brookes, who was RO in the same region, claimed in court that he was acting most of the time for UKIP rather than Mike Nattrass, I believe.

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Originally Posted by tamashi

The people on this forum are just looking for problems that do not exist!

I am not looking for any problems. I was explaining what another poster was referring to (IMHO), and demonstrating that the problem that he was complaining about no longer existed because UKIP had ceased doing it.

Bob FM · 02-07-2008, 08:32 AM

tamashi you sum up the situation well. More malicious unfounded innuendo.

Peterc · 02-07-2008, 10:06 AM

[quote=HULKMAN;519211]It seems to me that eagle clearly has inside information. Has Tom Wise decided to spill the beans in order to get his own back? Has he done it in order to get a lighter sentence?

I can assure you that this information is NOT coming either from Tom Wise MEP himself or from his office, as you say Eagle certainly has information. I also note that although this is the 3rd posting Eagle has made there has been no deniel from either Mr Titford MEP or from Mr Gulleford!!

Peterc · 02-07-2008, 10:22 AM

[quote=Peterc;519605]

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Originally Posted by HULKMAN

It seems to me that eagle clearly has inside information. Has Tom Wise decided to spill the beans in order to get his own back? Has he done it in order to get a lighter sentence?

I can assure you that this information is NOT coming either from Tom Wise MEP himself or from his office, as you say Eagle certainly has information. I also note that although this is the 3rd posting Eagle has made there has been no deniel from either Mr Titford MEP or from Mr Gulleford!!

or even denial (sorry)

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02-07-2008, 08:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,125	tamashi you sum up the situation well. More malicious unfounded innuendo.

02-07-2008, 10:06 AM	#19 (permalink)
Peterc Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: BEDFORDSHIRE Posts: 42 Party: UKIP	[quote=HULKMAN;519211]It seems to me that eagle clearly has inside information. Has Tom Wise decided to spill the beans in order to get his own back? Has he done it in order to get a lighter sentence? I can assure you that this information is NOT coming either from Tom Wise MEP himself or from his office, as you say Eagle certainly has information. I also note that although this is the 3rd posting Eagle has made there has been no deniel from either Mr Titford MEP or from Mr Gulleford!!