mkpdavies

Sorry, I should have said meaningful election where some real power was actually on the table.

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HULKMAN

I have a problem with this poster. You left UKIP years ago. Why then do you bother with what we are doing? I left the Tories in 2000. I would not dream of wasting my time posting attacks on a forum about them. So why do you ? Is it sour grapes? When I walk away from something thats it. Why don't you do the same? I understand you are in a new party so why not concentrate on that rather than attacking one you turned your back on?

Anthony Butcher

We established a very long time ago on the forum that shooting the messenger is an extremely poor form of argument. Unfortunately far too many people resort to it as a first line of defence If you disagree with what he says, then say so and prove him wrong.

Like many of us here mkpdavies is an ex-UKIP member but still retains a strong interest in the party because it is the main vehicle for anti-EU sentiment. Perhaps rather than having a pop at him and telling him to shut up, you might be better off addressing his concerns and convincing him that he made the wrong decision to leave...?

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Bob FM

Anthony, anyone 'ex' something are usually the worst, take as an example 'ex' smokers. They have no rationale other than to decry a group they were once part of. It is not up to those of us who want to move the party forward to justify our position. It is a futile debate, as we've seen so often here. Facts are distorted, meanings are perverted and down right lies are told. The tactics of any opposition.

Britannist

Here are some figures from another opinion poll on the subject of immigration:

The survey (by YouGov for Migrationwatch) showed 85% of people think immigration is putting too much pressure on public services, with 58% strongly holding that view and the others “tending to agree”. Only 10% disagreed. Eighty-one per cent thought it (immigration) should be cut substantially with 57% agreeing “strongly” with the idea. Only 14% disagreed. In London, where nearly a third of the population are immigrants, 70% agreed numbers should be sharply cut, with support for the view also held strongly in the West Midlands, north-west and east of England. Only 35% believed immigration had generally contributed positively to the UK economy compared to 54% who did not think it had.

Source: Daily Express 12.11.2007.

Anthony Butcher

That may indeed be the case. However, as we have said many times before, the only thing that UKIP is really good at is making enemies. The in-fighting, attacks on ex-members and telling critics to 'shut up' only serve to make relations that much worse. It is immensely self-destructive.

Of course ex-members are very critical... that is just the way of things. It is how a party deals with its critics, both internal and external, that determines its political karma. Given that UKIP is treading water in elections and losing members, I would have thought that a charm offensive would have been the order of the day.

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mkpdavies

Actually they are right. I was going to continue voting UKIP in European elections, which is why I maintained an interest.

Now I realise that would be wrong too, so on that score, I won't be wasting any more thought on UKIP. I will spare people any further comment about the party.

They say you should never burn your bridges in life. Most the time that holds true, but when the bridge leads to a sinking ship, filled with *****, I suggest the bridge needs to be exploded, never mind burned.

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douglas denny

Why stop now?

Keep going. Healthy criticism if it is well intentioned and sincere never hurt anyone. Your efforts denigrating UKIP however, have not convinced me one iota. I am waiting for you to come up with something with which I agree with you might be of substance. If so, I can then try to put it right.

UKIP is not perfect but is by far better than the main parties in so many ways. We want out of the EU for example ........ they don't.

I don't mind you criticising UKIP if you have reasons - but hopefully you will be confounded in those criticisms with time and events. You might like to retract in time - re-join even; who knows?
We shall have to wait and see.

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Bob FM

Another conundrum, according to ex UKIPer's the party is losing members, but according to membership numbers are increasing, and that is certainly the case in the South West, most notably Swindon. So just perhaps the doom and gloom merchants are yet again being economical with the truth.

mrabody

Funnily enough, MKPD has been less critical of UKIP on this forum since leaving the party.

I find that there are two types of ex-UKIPPERs on this forum, those like MKPD and AB who whilst critical try to be fair and offer constructive advice. Unfortunately there are others whose only aim is to hurt and demoralize the party through posting on this forum.

I'd happily have the first group back in the party any time. Not the second though.