Originally Posted by douglas denny

Having ones cake and eating it, perhaps?
Whatever is "terrible" about telling the truth?

It's a perfectly legitimate and sound argument:- Why allow the increasing of the criminal element in the country when you don't have to if all you need is simple, effective, real control at the borders?

America won't let anyone in now without fingerprints and/or other biometric data and proper visas. So you think they are doing it all wrong?

And what do you want then from a political party? Sound policy and promoting it? or a supine, toothless party that is afraid of telling it as it is?

UKIP is committed to telling the truth no matter how unpalatable or non-'politically correct'. And it is no way 'racist' to name and shame the criminal element responsible for crime. The East European criminal element are a very real and dangerous lot to deal with - and we now have them here in this country right NOW.... and our rotten government has deliberately let them in! That's the way it is! That's what needs saying! And that is what needs addressing NOW -by a proper government which takes responsibility in protecting its people from the criminals - and which we do NOT have.

So you don't like someone saying the truth - publicly? because it is distasteful? These imported criminals are a problem and should be recognised as such.
We have already had examples of this: severe problems with West Jamaican 'Yardies' for example killing innocents as well as each other, whose use of handguns to 'protect' their drugs selling turf is normal practice.

It is a well known fact that allowing immigration without limits or checks is going to allow in the criminal element of the culture of those being let in - along with the good guys.

I have been told by someone in the police that the Bulgarian and Romanians criminals (who can walk into this country without check, and if caught cannot be deported, or if they are, can just walk back in again without molestation) ....make our criminals look like pussycats ......

At least the Krays loved their mother, kept to their patch, kept out of the way of the police and left the locals alone ....
These imported criminals see everyone here as prey. That means you and me.

We are mad to import them without restrictions.

Another very good reason why we need to get proper control back of our borders - which in turn means leaving the EU.

DED.
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Originally Posted by douglas denny

At least the Krays loved their mother, kept to their patch, kept out of the way of the police and left the locals alone ....

Originally Posted by C_steam

Headlines news - UKIP NEC member condones the activities of the Krays.


Incidentally, I'd suggest that "keeping out of the way of the police" isn't a criminal trait unique to the Krays..................

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Fingers in ears, ignore what they youngsters are saying, they should just shut up and bang the anti-immigration drum.

There, ladies and gentleman, the the reason UKIP are going nowhere fast.

To the younger members I say this. You are spot on and your feelings are more in tune with the general public. Yes the public see immigration as an issue, but they a more frightened at old men frothing at the mouth about the issue.

I had to put up with people gobbing in my face because of some to the leaflets UKIP put out. Don't worry I was told, we know what we are doing. Then we lost heavily again.

Since then the rhetoric has been turned up even more and was a major reason why I had to leave. I want a party that recognises immigration as an issue, but doesn't rant on like a bunch of nutters.

Originally Posted by C_steam

Amen to that. Fruitcakes, loonies and now xenophobes. It is no wonder that to many the BNP and UKIP are indistinguishable.

Originally Posted by C_steam

Cranial Richard. You're an NEC member. Therefore you're a politician. Therefore I'd suggest making reference to the Krays as paragons, whether tongue in cheek or not, is not so wise.

But then, being wise was never UKIP's strong point!