Geoffrey Collier

My instinct is always to congratulate success, but I am inclined to agree with Barboo and Anna on this one. Have we any Justices of the Peace among our ranks? Could have, hope so: but those positions are allocated with an eye to making the bench politically equable. This is defensible, but it can to used to denigrate success; 'he only got it because he's Tory', when in reality he may possess the necessary talents. If people realised that politically I am an impecunious whig, could I use that to my own advantage?
We Whigs, don't seem to get a fair share of the social and political appointments these days; who is orchestrating this wicked conspiracy against us?

chikrodah

Of course I should get my facts right, John. Problem is, so should you.

There are numerous mentions re Governors working collectively on behalf of Suffolk and Thetford including:

http://www.smhp.nhs.uk/Portals/1/FT%...s%20080307.doc
http://www.smhp.nhs.uk/Portals/1/FT%...ges_080123.pdf

I don't recall disputing that you stood for election in the "constituency" of Suffolk Coastal and Waveney:

http://www.smhp.nhs.uk/Portals/1/FT%...OGSFT07707.pdf
http://www.smhp.nhs.uk/Portals/1/FT%...20election.pdf
http://www.smhp.nhs.uk/Portals/1/FT%...k%20110408.doc

I just pointed out that Waveney gets little representation:

http://www.smhp.nhs.uk/Portals/1/FT%...ges_080123.pdf

I never said you couldn't act as an ambassador for the Trust and its objectives, in fact, you're encouraged to do so, within limits:

http://www.smhp.nhs.uk/Portals/1/FT%...s%20080307.doc
http://www.smhp.nhs.uk/Portals/1/FT%...ges_080123.pdf

All I said was that you won't be "fighting".

There would be little point in you being a governor if you were not prepared to work on behalf of the Trust, would there?

I note that you have avoided discussion of points 1 - 5, and point 7; presumably because you have no counter to my accurate and valid summation.

Instead you chose to argue points 5 and 6 which suggest you have not read the literature supplied to new governors.

I think you've answered my final question in my previous post.

I suggest you read your own code of conduct: http://www.smhp.nhs.uk/Portals/1/FT%...s%20080307.doc

Right now you're in danger of contravening the Nolan Principles.

Be wary of using your governor status in association with your political ambitions. Assuming they don't ask you to resign for politicising the Trust, you will have to resign prior to the close of nominations for either a MEP slot or a General Election PPC. As an election agent in the 2005 GE, I am very aware that membership of a NHS board in any form disqualifies you from standing as a candidate.

chikrodah

Geoffrey, as an ex LibDem (more Lib than Dem), I've obviously not achieved full Whig status.

Perhaps I ought to refer to myself as a Thoupée?

johnwest

I did not avoid any of your observations. These are the points you claim I ignored.

1. The seat was won in a fairly contested election. If I had been the only candidate your argument would be valid. However, I was not.

2. I was elected as a UKIP representative. I chose to put UKIP on my voting slip, as did the Lib Dem.

3. I also had a 50% chance of not being elected!

4. The Trust represents the whole of Suffolk. I was elected to represent the constituencies of Waveney and Suffolk Coastal. That is what it says on the form. I never once referred to them as political constituencies as you imply.

5. The Trust covers Waveney. What's the problem?

7. As a governor I will campaign to improve services and better care for those we represent. As I said before, I will use my position to highlight problems in the service. That is better than doing nothing.

I have no wish to get involved in silly slanging matches with you so I will make no further comment. However, I have been told your real identity. It is quite clear that you have a long standing problem with me and have been using this post as an excuse to attack me on behalf of those you support. As I said before, stop attacking those who want to do their bit for the party and country.

johnwest

I forgot to add this. Don't worry Barboo and chikrodah. I have no intention of seeking selection for the Euros in your area despite what you may have been told. So your attacks were pointless.

Hartlepool

Well said John West,and very good luck in the future on the PCT which you will be representing.

You and your wife both deserve to make progress within the UKIP,unlike some who post here.


It seems that whenever someone seems to be getting a lot of limelight for their good efforts certain people suddenly pop up again,after normally being silent on here for days on end.

Its a dead giveaway and shows their real alleigences and goals in my opinion.

Geoffrey Collier

Chikrodah: Being ex-LibDem is certainly progress, but are you feeling greater affinity with Bess of Hardwick or merely the squire's wife? Why not promote Aardvark as a Law Lord and bask in the reflected glory? It is a long journey, but your progress is already substantial.

ENGLISH UNIONIST

Warmest congratulations on your election my dear John. As someone who suffers from Generalised Anxiety Disorder (a neurotic illness which leaves one suffering from persistent and severe anxiety) and a card-carrying UKIPer, I welcome the contribution you will make to those with mental illness in your area, and hope in turn it will increase your chances of being elected either to local government or Parliament.

You and others interested in mental health issues are encouraged to contact Mind (National Association for Mental Health) (theNational Association for Mental Health) and Jessica Kingsley Publishers Jessica Kingsley Publishers who publish some excellent books on mental health issues and care management, etc.

Christopher Luke (aka English Unionist)

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THE UNION OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND, UNLIKE THE EUROPEAN UNION, DESERVES (AND NEEDS) TO BE MAINTAINED AND STRENGTHENED DAILY.

chikrodah

You really are the most obtuse individual.

Look, everybody knows my "real identity", it's not a secret. I stood for the NEC a few years ago. I was the election agent for the UKIP Witney PPC in 2005. I tried to reform the Rugby branch with no success. I've attended Lechlade meetings. I've networked with UKIPpers nationwide. If I've got a hidden agenda, I'd love to know what it is.

Right now, the only person I support politically is my best friend. I don't belong to any political party; the behaviour of the worse elements of UKIP (from senior HO figures downwards and on both sides of "the divide") has put me off to such an extent that I despair of ever trusting another politico. (So it's probably just as well that I regard my remaining UKIP friends as friends rather than politicos...)

I've never been affiliated to any "grass roots" movement. I'd probably come in for less flak if I had.

You're the second person to demonstrate cognitive dissonance towards me today. I should feel flattered.

You were the one that claimed you'd "won a seat" for UKIP. I can't speak for Barboo but I find I'm increasingly repelled by those in UKIP who clutch at straws to publish their successes on the fringes of the political arena.

You got elected as one of four governors for Suffolk Coastal and Waveney's "constituency". That's one of 13 public governors overall. You are to be congratulated on that.

What I took exception to, and still do, was your tone. You announced this minor achievement as though it was a great UKIP triumph. You lied, IMHO. Pure and simple. Misrepresenting the facts like this is not spin, it's a lie as far as I'm concerned and I'm fed up with people who spin.

You've obviously never worked in or with the NHS before. You've obviously never worked at board level before. I have. You're going to get a big surprise.

Please don't ignore my comments re the incompatibility of being on a NHS board and being a GE/Euro PPC. Somebody WILL find out and they WILL tell the Returns Officer. No, it won't be me. You're not that important. But you will embarrass UKIP. Still, maybe you want to do that?

I know full well you aren't currently the PPC for the area I live in. There again, both Nattrass and Chris Adams weren't the original PPCs for their constituencies either, were they?

Oh and H - just because I'm not the most obsessive poster doesn't mean I don't read all the posts. I just choose not to respond to most.

chikrodah

Geoffrey, as an accomplished needlewoman it would have to be Bess of Hardwick and not just because we share a name. Now, there's a role model.