johnwest

One of our speakers will be discussing capital punishment. Is capital punishment a deterrent? Should it be reintroduced? Many British people are not aware that the EU will not allow our government to reintroduce it.

Harbinger

Nail 'em up i say, nail some sense into them!

HM

I think UKIP's referendum idea is a very good one. I'm against capital punishment personally; I think by making prisons more bland and punishing they would be more effective at actually punishing the criminals. A quick death ensures no (prolonged) sense of quid pro quo.

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kernow

I am pro capital punishment but only if it can be proved beyond any shadow of doubt that the accused actually did it! Problem is I don't trust the Police, so the no shadow of doubt then comes into question! Whilst they're alive , if they're innocent they have a chance of proving it, ie a chance to appeal. For "lifers" Prison would mean just that, single cell no mixing with other prisoners for recreation, basic rations, work eat and sleep, no papers, radio or telly. People who take part in murder, rape, child abuse violent robbery of any description, would be classed as lifers, and would spent the rest of they're lives in prison.

Now I wait to hear the Lilly Libs scream nasty things at me!

ukiprule

Spot on , prison shouldnt be a hoilday camp where prisoners get there own cell key and telly which is what is currently happening.

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HM

Hear, hear!

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NoMoreEUSSR

Some people and studies appear to believe it is, but I remain unconvinced of this.

Perhaps not. I favour the theoretical principle - a swift execution is a legitimate way to banish a bad guy from society permanently - but it is irreversible, and it is also highly questionable whether the DP really is the ultimate punishment and deterrent anyway. Life imprisonment without parole combined with hard labour, 20+ hours in a stone cell and conditions along the lines of 18th century Newgate might be more appropriate. And not just for murder 1 but for serious cases of attempted murder, sex crimes and GBH 1 as well.

A man executed for a murder in Melbin that took place 86 years ago has recently been pardoned based on some new evidence. Now, I understand that a wrongful execution is a truly awful thing, but really that is the symptom: the cause is the wrongful conviction in the first instance.

I do not believe the argument about the DP being bad on the grounds of a revenge motive holds water, because long-drop judicial hanging is intended to minimize the punishment and suffering for the condemned. Is the majority of the general public aware of that?

And yes, the Evil Union imposes a ban on the DP, but the Poles love to ruffle its feathers by having open DP debates from time to time anyway.

youcanhandlethetruth

So UKIP are discussing re-introducing capital punishment but why can't they call for a new 7/7 investigation including government involvement in the attacks ?

It's about time they got their priorities straight and exposed this corrupt government for the murdering criminals they are......

Do the decent thing UKIP and you can save the UK's honour at the same time....

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ukiplassie

I think that the death penalty should be reintroduced in the UK, our prisons our overcrowded with murderers and rapists, so as a result 'petty' crime i.e burglary and assult get a fine or a community service order. What message is this sending to our youth?

If life meant life then maybe things could be different, but it only really accounts for 12 years or so if you behave inside! I think the most 'humane' form of execution is the lethal injection, as it is quick and relatively painless. I do not believe that it should be made a spectacle of as is sometimes the case in the USA, but I do think we need harsher laws in this country, especially with knife crime and gang warfare on the increase.

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Geoffrey Collier

In a previous posting, I suggested that the first step in reducing the prison population must be to remove from prison all those, who forty years ago would have been in psychiatric hospitals. Those who are ill, or have serious personality disorders, should not be in prison. With the closing down of many psychiatric hospitals, judges time and time again express their sadness, in having to incarcerate these sick and unfortunate people in institutions not appropraite for their needs or treatment.

We should also bear in mind that in the late 18c and early 19c. two hundred offences carried the death penalty; we flogged them, transported them and treated them harshly, but we still had a considerable criminal population. No society in history, trying every possible means of correction, has managed to find the solution for criminality. Those in our own society who are of emotional disposition and ingnorant of the subject, will be the ones least likely to bring anything of worth to the subject.

When Thatcher came to power the restoration of capital punishment was high on the agenda. Despite two attempts to have it restored, MPs' rejected it overwhelmingly. Why?
While agreeing with hanging, whey knew should it be restored to the Statute Book, the first one sentenced to death would lodge appeals in the Courts of Justice and Human Rights simultaneously. Restoring capital punishment would demonstrate how weak and not how strong Parliament really is when faced with the reality of their own decisions.
The Isle of Man was required to end floggings. Our own State schools were told to cease canning. Do you really believe that although unable either to birch or flog, you will be permitted to hang. Harold Macmillan once blamed the need to change policies on, 'events, dear boy, events'. The hanging and flogging lobby should take heed of that fact. The late Lord Denning, who had himself sentenced prisoners to death, councelled that we should desist from discussing this matter further, for it was blinding us to more desirable options.