UKIP to lead an English Alliance

Andrew Constantine · 25-05-2008, 09:21 AM

Before I offer some unasked for advice, I had better make it clear where I am coming from. I wish the Free England Party to become England's fourth largest party, and that means overtaking UKIP.

We are unfortunately some years away from the above, so in the meantime, the leadership of the anti-EU campaign is still in UKIP's hands. UKIP have until the June 2009 Euro elections the opportunity to remain as a credible fourth party.

With your MEPs - all those professional, full time, well paid politicians - UKIP should be able to make a huge difference to the anti-EU cause by building up support here in England well before the June 2009 elections.

If UKIP made common ground with English nationalism, and fought as an Alliance, IMHO the following should happen:

- an influx of passionate activists to the Alliance
- the Alliance's identification with the cause of England and her Parliament
- the Alliance probably capturing the anti-EU and pro-England vote
- the various share of the votes taken by my party, the EDs and UKIP etc all going to one Alliance candidate (and this is key: the Alliance might have won a seat in the London Assembly on 1 May 2008)
- credibility with the voters who might otherwise vote BNP
- the existence of other party personnel in the Alliance acting as a check on poor decisions.

During the limited leafletting I did in the London Assembly election, every white working class voter I met was approving of Free England. The rich and the professional classes were generally not interested in England as such, but our "ordinary" people are very pro-England.

I believe that the voters are impressed by honest citizens standing in elections who have put country above party. The members of the smaller parties by working in the Alliance would get credit for their selflessness.

If UKIP decide not to fight as an Alliance, then expect tough competition in the Euro elections from Free England, the EDs and the BNP.

And for those UKIPpers who choose to put "loyalty" to the unity of the UK above fighting England's membership of the EU, reflect on these two considerations:

1. UKIP can affect what happens in England by securing good results in the Euro elections and can therefore put a question mark over continued membership of the EU. So there is everything to gain by doing well in Engalnd and this pro England Alliance may be the best way of achieving this.

2. UKIP's efforts will not and cannot decide the future unity of the UK (it's more in Scotland's hands than England's in any event).

Food for thought!

Bob FM · 25-05-2008, 10:04 AM

During the limited leafletting I did in the London Assembly election, every white working class voter I met was approving of Free England. The rich and the professional classes were generally not interested in England as such, but our "ordinary" people are very pro-England.
I think you would fair better by appealing to the BNP, your reference to white working class voters is deeply offensive to thousands of UKIP supporters who have strived to get away from this little Englander racist approach. I for one as Chairman of my group would certainly leave the party if any such alliance took place, as would I suspect the vast majority of my membership. We want to advice the cause of Britain and Northern Ireland not just England.

SponPlague · 25-05-2008, 10:07 AM

What, pray. is wrong with UKIP's idea of "English MPs on English matters only" weeks at Westminster, while the Scots go to Follyrood and the Welsh MPs go to wales for a week?

Populist Lee · 25-05-2008, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

Before I offer some unasked for advice, I had better make it clear where I am coming from. I wish the Free England Party to become England's fourth largest party, and that means overtaking UKIP.

We are unfortunately some years away from the above, so in the meantime, the leadership of the anti-EU campaign is still in UKIP's hands. UKIP have until the June 2009 Euro elections the opportunity to remain as a credible fourth party.

With your MEPs - all those professional, full time, well paid politicians - UKIP should be able to make a huge difference to the anti-EU cause by building up support here in England well before the June 2009 elections.

If UKIP made common ground with English nationalism, and fought as an Alliance, IMHO the following should happen:

- an influx of passionate activists to the Alliance
- the Alliance's identification with the cause of England and her Parliament
- the Alliance probably capturing the anti-EU and pro-England vote
- the various share of the votes taken by my party, the EDs and UKIP etc all going to one Alliance candidate (and this is key: the Alliance might have won a seat in the London Assembly on 1 May 2008)
- credibility with the voters who might otherwise vote BNP
- the existence of other party personnel in the Alliance acting as a check on poor decisions.

During the limited leafletting I did in the London Assembly election, every white working class voter I met was approving of Free England. The rich and the professional classes were generally not interested in England as such, but our "ordinary" people are very pro-England.

I believe that the voters are impressed by honest citizens standing in elections who have put country above party. The members of the smaller parties by working in the Alliance would get credit for their selflessness.

If UKIP decide not to fight as an Alliance, then expect tough competition in the Euro elections from Free England, the EDs and the BNP.

And for those UKIPpers who choose to put "loyalty" to the unity of the UK above fighting England's membership of the EU, reflect on these two considerations:

1. UKIP can affect what happens in England by securing good results in the Euro elections and can therefore put a question mark over continued membership of the EU. So there is everything to gain by doing well in Engalnd and this pro England Alliance may be the best way of achieving this.

2. UKIP's efforts will not and cannot decide the future unity of the UK (it's more in Scotland's hands than England's in any event).

Food for thought!

Now why should a small and vibrant party wish to hitch itself to a cadaverous identity?

Other than to strip the flesh from the bones, maybe?

Earthling · 25-05-2008, 10:25 AM

I'm not liking the reference to "white working class voters", I think the UKIP needs to keep well away from such comments

The media are already trying to compare UKIP to the likes of the BNP and I think we need to distance ourselves as much as possible from such trash

Bob FM · 25-05-2008, 05:35 PM

Earthling. Totally agree. What, pray. is wrong with UKIP's idea of "English MPs on English matters only" weeks at Westminster, while the Scots go to Follyrood and the Welsh MPs go to wales for a week? Nothing whatsoever, but the MP's in our policy is about serving England, which wasn't the issue as you well know.

Andrew Constantine · 25-05-2008, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob FM

Earthling. Totally agree. What, pray. is wrong with UKIP's idea of "English MPs on English matters only" weeks at Westminster, while the Scots go to Follyrood and the Welsh MPs go to wales for a week? Nothing whatsoever, but the MP's in our policy is about serving England, which wasn't the issue as you well know.

This has been covered many times before on this fourm. A search of the posts made by cassie will provide good explanations.

mkpdavies · 25-05-2008, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

This has been covered many times before on this fourm. A search of the posts made by cassie will provide good explanations.

I must have missed them.

25-05-2008, 09:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 912 Party: Free England Party	UKIP to lead an English Alliance Before I offer some unasked for advice, I had better make it clear where I am coming from. I wish the Free England Party to become England's fourth largest party, and that means overtaking UKIP. We are unfortunately some years away from the above, so in the meantime, the leadership of the anti-EU campaign is still in UKIP's hands. UKIP have until the June 2009 Euro elections the opportunity to remain as a credible fourth party. With your MEPs - all those professional, full time, well paid politicians - UKIP should be able to make a huge difference to the anti-EU cause by building up support here in England well before the June 2009 elections. If UKIP made common ground with English nationalism, and fought as an Alliance, IMHO the following should happen: - an influx of passionate activists to the Alliance - the Alliance's identification with the cause of England and her Parliament - the Alliance probably capturing the anti-EU and pro-England vote - the various share of the votes taken by my party, the EDs and UKIP etc all going to one Alliance candidate (and this is key: the Alliance might have won a seat in the London Assembly on 1 May 2008) - credibility with the voters who might otherwise vote BNP - the existence of other party personnel in the Alliance acting as a check on poor decisions. During the limited leafletting I did in the London Assembly election, every white working class voter I met was approving of Free England. The rich and the professional classes were generally not interested in England as such, but our "ordinary" people are very pro-England. I believe that the voters are impressed by honest citizens standing in elections who have put country above party. The members of the smaller parties by working in the Alliance would get credit for their selflessness. If UKIP decide not to fight as an Alliance, then expect tough competition in the Euro elections from Free England, the EDs and the BNP. And for those UKIPpers who choose to put "loyalty" to the unity of the UK above fighting England's membership of the EU, reflect on these two considerations: 1. UKIP can affect what happens in England by securing good results in the Euro elections and can therefore put a question mark over continued membership of the EU. So there is everything to gain by doing well in Engalnd and this pro England Alliance may be the best way of achieving this. 2. UKIP's efforts will not and cannot decide the future unity of the UK (it's more in Scotland's hands than England's in any event). Food for thought! __________________ Andrew Constantine Free England Party - Independence for England http://www.freeengland.com http://freeengland.blogspot.com Signatory to The English Claim of Right http://englishclaimofright.com

25-05-2008, 10:25 AM	#5 (permalink)
Earthling Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 292 Party: UKIP	I'm not liking the reference to "white working class voters", I think the UKIP needs to keep well away from such comments The media are already trying to compare UKIP to the likes of the BNP and I think we need to distance ourselves as much as possible from such trash __________________ Earthling's Blog Don't let EU rule Britannia! Vote UKIP and say NO to Brussels Bureaucracy.

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25-05-2008, 10:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,125	During the limited leafletting I did in the London Assembly election, every white working class voter I met was approving of Free England. The rich and the professional classes were generally not interested in England as such, but our "ordinary" people are very pro-England. I think you would fair better by appealing to the BNP, your reference to white working class voters is deeply offensive to thousands of UKIP supporters who have strived to get away from this little Englander racist approach. I for one as Chairman of my group would certainly leave the party if any such alliance took place, as would I suspect the vast majority of my membership. We want to advice the cause of Britain and Northern Ireland not just England.

25-05-2008, 10:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 2,448	What, pray. is wrong with UKIP's idea of "English MPs on English matters only" weeks at Westminster, while the Scots go to Follyrood and the Welsh MPs go to wales for a week?

25-05-2008, 05:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,125	Earthling. Totally agree. What, pray. is wrong with UKIP's idea of "English MPs on English matters only" weeks at Westminster, while the Scots go to Follyrood and the Welsh MPs go to wales for a week? Nothing whatsoever, but the MP's in our policy is about serving England, which wasn't the issue as you well know.