UKIP: UKIP fourth in Crewe by-election

Blog Bot · 23-05-2008, 10:40 AM

From the official website:

The UK Independence Party came fourth in the Crewe and Nantwich by-election on 22 May, confirming the party's position as the fourth political force in the country. Candidate Mike Nattrass gained 2.22% of the vote in a seat UKIP did not contest in 2005.

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mkpdavies · 23-05-2008, 10:58 AM

Spin spin sugar.

Millennium3 · 23-05-2008, 11:03 AM

Can you claim to be any force at all in British politics when the actual results and opinion polls show a consistent 2%-3% support?

Michael Heaver · 23-05-2008, 11:20 AM

The election showed us to be Britain's fourth largest political Party by a considerable margin. Mission accomplished as far as I'm concearned.

mkpdavies · 23-05-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Heaver

The election showed us to be Britain's fourth largest political Party by a considerable margin. Mission accomplished as far as I'm concearned.

Coming 4th is totally irellevant. Especialy with 2.2%

If that's mission accomplished, then UKIP are forever doomed to **** poor performance.

All "other" parties have to think seriously how they can break this wizard or oz style con trick. Accepting 2.2% as some sort of victory is just delusional.

Alex McKee · 23-05-2008, 11:27 AM

If it has become our mission to simply standstill, then we are in trouble.
Mission accomplished would be winning the seat or at least an unexpectedly good result.

That said, it's not bad to standstill - at least we're not going backwards. However we should and must be moving forward for us to claim this is a good result.

mkpdavies · 23-05-2008, 11:31 AM

Do you think getting 2.2% of people who can be bothered to vote, in an election where considerable effort and resource were deployed is standing still?

I don't. I think it is going backwards and it isn't a problem specific to UKIP. The old parties and their media friends have once again lured the masses who can be bothered to vote, into thinking they are the only choices.

Until that nut is cracked, you are just ******* in the wind.

Anthony Butcher · 23-05-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

The old parties and their media friends have once again lured the masses who can be bothered to vote, into thinking they are the only choices.

But in reality they are. UKIP is still a million miles away from looking like a credible opposition. Although the policies are improving, they are still completely uncosted and thus largely worthless. On top of that the party doesn't function properly and still doesn't really act like anything more than an EU pressure group.

You can blame the media all you like, but UKIP and the other smaller parties, simply haven't upped their game enough. 2004 showed that when you get it right in some way, the media will side with you.

Millennium3 · 23-05-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

But in reality they are. UKIP is still a million miles away from looking like a credible opposition. Although the policies are improving, they are still completely uncosted and thus largely worthless. On top of that the party doesn't function properly and still doesn't really act like anything more than an EU pressure group.

You can blame the media all you like, but UKIP and the other smaller parties, simply haven't upped their game enough. 2004 showed that when you get it right in some way, the media will side with you.

Painfully true.

Alex McKee · 23-05-2008, 11:46 AM

If you take a look at the results, the bulk of that 2.2% came out of Labour's vote share. Labour dropped 18.2% and the Conservatives gained 16.9%. The only logical place for the remaining vote share to have gone is to UKIP.

Since we've not stood in this seat before, this is good progress in that seat.

23-05-2008, 10:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
Blog Bot Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,030	UKIP: UKIP fourth in Crewe by-election From the official website: The UK Independence Party came fourth in the Crewe and Nantwich by-election on 22 May, confirming the party's position as the fourth political force in the country. Candidate Mike Nattrass gained 2.22% of the vote in a seat UKIP did not contest in 2005. More...

23-05-2008, 10:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,059 Party: Libertarian Party	Spin spin sugar. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

23-05-2008, 11:27 AM	#6 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	If it has become our mission to simply standstill, then we are in trouble. Mission accomplished would be winning the seat or at least an unexpectedly good result. That said, it's not bad to standstill - at least we're not going backwards. However we should and must be moving forward for us to claim this is a good result. __________________ Anything I post on this web forum is my personal opinion only. Users on Ignore list: None.

23-05-2008, 11:31 AM	#7 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,059 Party: Libertarian Party	Do you think getting 2.2% of people who can be bothered to vote, in an election where considerable effort and resource were deployed is standing still? I don't. I think it is going backwards and it isn't a problem specific to UKIP. The old parties and their media friends have once again lured the masses who can be bothered to vote, into thinking they are the only choices. Until that nut is cracked, you are just ******* in the wind. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

23-05-2008, 11:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	If you take a look at the results, the bulk of that 2.2% came out of Labour's vote share. Labour dropped 18.2% and the Conservatives gained 16.9%. The only logical place for the remaining vote share to have gone is to UKIP. Since we've not stood in this seat before, this is good progress in that seat. __________________ Anything I post on this web forum is my personal opinion only. Users on Ignore list: None.

23-05-2008, 11:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,760	Can you claim to be any force at all in British politics when the actual results and opinion polls show a consistent 2%-3% support?

23-05-2008, 11:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
Michael Heaver Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 394 Party: UKIP	The election showed us to be Britain's fourth largest political Party by a considerable margin. Mission accomplished as far as I'm concearned.

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