UKIP man to tackle Gipsies and flytipping

BASILDON BOY · 21-05-2008, 09:29 AM

Campaign Launched To Stop Traveller Sites And Tipping Abuse (from Thurrock Gazette)

Campaign launched to stop traveller sites and tipping abuse
Exclusive By Neil Speight

FRONT PAGE NEWS: How this week's Gazette tells the story.
A LEADING Thurrock businessman has slammed police and the borough council for failing to tackle the problem of itinerant travellers who litter the countryside with their rubbish.

Clive Broad, who owns Stanford-le-Hope based Daybreak Windows and is a prominent local charity fundraiser, says he is sick of picking up the tab to clean up after travellers because the authorities are running scared.

And he is planning a campaign not only calling for a clampdown on offenders, but for the Council to ignore calls to create more permanent traveller sites in the borough.

Mr Broad, of Lodge Lane, Grays, who recently unsuccessfully stood for UKIP in the local elections says he is furious that it's 'one law for the travellers, one for the rest of us.' He has spoken up after a group of travellers left their illegal pitch on land off Stanford road near the flyover over the Tilbury Dock Road.

Last year the council was landed with a big bill to clean up on the same site after another visit - and Mr Broad said in recent weeks council officers and police just stood by and let the travellers abuse the countryside again.

He is demanding a change in attitude from the authorities, saying: "The borough fails to move them on time and time again. Now they have left another load of rubbish, some of which they tried to set fire to be fore they left, a blaze that had to be dealt with by the fire brigade.

“Why can’t we all leave rubbish and excrement all over the place? Because we would be arrested if we did. It’s obvious that Thurrock Council and the local constabulary think of normal, law-abiding people as of a lower class than these travellers.”
Clive Broad

"Now we have to pay to have this rubbish removed out of our rates - a regular occurrence throughout the borough.

"Over past weeks Thurrock Council has prosecuted various people for fly-tipping. These people blatantly ignore the law and get away with it.

DUMPED: Rubbish strewn after travellers left the site.
"Why can't we all leave rubbish and excrement all over the place? Because we would be arrested if we did. It's obvious that Thurrock Council and the local constabulary think of normal, law-abiding people as of a lower class than these travellers."

And Mr Broad thinks the problem will get worse if the borough is forced to become home to more travellers, saying they will continue to abuse the law and fly-tip from their new sites.

He believes Thurrock is being unfairly penalised, saying: "At the moment Thurrock has 70 authorised pitches. The East of England Regional Assembly want to give us another 44 but they don't apply the same rules to other parts of the region, in fact if pitches were spread out evenly, we would have less - not more.

"We have had enough and now I plan to campaign to make sure we get a fair break. I have a campaign plan mapped out and all it will take it a little effort by ordinary people to make sure the bureaucrats get the message. If people want to help me make this happen, please call me on 07855 076420."

BASILDON BOY · 21-05-2008, 09:33 AM

Clive Broad's election results:-

Stanford-le-Hope West 2007 results

Con 587
Lab 409
BNP 266
UKIP 216

Stanford-le-Hope West 2008 results

Con 718
Lab 450
BNP 275
UKIP 165

Aardvark · 21-05-2008, 10:06 AM

The problem is the law says that travellers are an 'ethnic' group and have rights to live their traditional style. The leading case on travellers law used to be the Basildon case where Marc Willers, who has written the definitive book on travellers law, cost Basildon an absolute fortune in legal fees etc.

Taking on travellers is a high risk business, but one that in some areas, mainly East Anglia, would strike a chord with the locals.

Not many people know that if a school is full and no places are available to the locals, who might have to send their kids elsewhere, the local authority can still be compelled to take up to 3 travellers in each school year should they pitch up on the doorstep. The costs can be high as the law sets maximum numbers of children per class in primary schools and schools can end up having to recruit extra teaching staff or renting portakabin class rooms to cover small numbers of extra children. As each school has its own budget the other children lose out big time when resources are diverted.

BASILDON BOY · 21-05-2008, 12:11 PM

Clive Broad might be on a bit of a sticky wicket here!

UKIP MP Bob Spink is part of the all party parliamentary group committed to raising the social inclusion of Travellers and improving relations between the settled and Traveller community.

The Traveller Law Reform Project :All Party Parliamentary Group on Gypsy and Traveller Law Reform

Aardvark · 21-05-2008, 01:39 PM

Oddly, working through that project might be a way forward.

If Clive Broad, through Bob Spink, was to tackle the issue of detritus and illegal sites he might get some co-operation from those members of the traveller community who know that cleaner living and good neighbourliness are the way to improve relations.

We're about to get a traveller site on the edge of our town. As I lost my seat on the town council last year I can sit on the side lines and watch the Tories, in Cameron's constituency, fight the good fight. The site is about 400 yards from the local Tory leader's house and she is livid; as she and I don't get on I am mildly amused by it all.

mkpdavies · 21-05-2008, 02:24 PM

Italy are having big issues with "roms" as they call them too. They are trying to kick them out of the country and some of the people are burning their sites.

Apparently this action has popular backing there! My Italian friend is getting most annoyed with the EU for telling them they can't.

A bit extreme for me, but certainly, if they are throwing rubbish all over the place, then they should be prosecuted like the rest of us.

blueblood1920 · 21-05-2008, 02:31 PM

Hopefully the BNP councillor Emma will take up this issue.

Aardvark · 21-05-2008, 02:45 PM

They don't pay council tax yet they take resources. They don't clear up after themselves. They do sign on.

mkpdavies · 21-05-2008, 02:47 PM

Sign on. Sign on. With a bic, in your hand, coz you'll never get a job. You'll neeeeeeever get a job.

(Man U fans singing to Liverpool fans the time I went years ago).

SponPlague · 21-05-2008, 04:23 PM

Didn't Killjoy-Sulk do a program on this area once he left us? I recall he refused the caravan offered, and went to a hotel...

21-05-2008, 09:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
BASILDON BOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: N'Djamena, Chad Posts: 1,852	UKIP man to tackle Gipsies and flytipping Campaign Launched To Stop Traveller Sites And Tipping Abuse (from Thurrock Gazette) Campaign launched to stop traveller sites and tipping abuse Exclusive By Neil Speight FRONT PAGE NEWS: How this week's Gazette tells the story. A LEADING Thurrock businessman has slammed police and the borough council for failing to tackle the problem of itinerant travellers who litter the countryside with their rubbish. Clive Broad, who owns Stanford-le-Hope based Daybreak Windows and is a prominent local charity fundraiser, says he is sick of picking up the tab to clean up after travellers because the authorities are running scared. And he is planning a campaign not only calling for a clampdown on offenders, but for the Council to ignore calls to create more permanent traveller sites in the borough. Mr Broad, of Lodge Lane, Grays, who recently unsuccessfully stood for UKIP in the local elections says he is furious that it's 'one law for the travellers, one for the rest of us.' He has spoken up after a group of travellers left their illegal pitch on land off Stanford road near the flyover over the Tilbury Dock Road. Last year the council was landed with a big bill to clean up on the same site after another visit - and Mr Broad said in recent weeks council officers and police just stood by and let the travellers abuse the countryside again. He is demanding a change in attitude from the authorities, saying: "The borough fails to move them on time and time again. Now they have left another load of rubbish, some of which they tried to set fire to be fore they left, a blaze that had to be dealt with by the fire brigade. “Why can’t we all leave rubbish and excrement all over the place? Because we would be arrested if we did. It’s obvious that Thurrock Council and the local constabulary think of normal, law-abiding people as of a lower class than these travellers.” Clive Broad "Now we have to pay to have this rubbish removed out of our rates - a regular occurrence throughout the borough. "Over past weeks Thurrock Council has prosecuted various people for fly-tipping. These people blatantly ignore the law and get away with it. DUMPED: Rubbish strewn after travellers left the site. "Why can't we all leave rubbish and excrement all over the place? Because we would be arrested if we did. It's obvious that Thurrock Council and the local constabulary think of normal, law-abiding people as of a lower class than these travellers." And Mr Broad thinks the problem will get worse if the borough is forced to become home to more travellers, saying they will continue to abuse the law and fly-tip from their new sites. He believes Thurrock is being unfairly penalised, saying: "At the moment Thurrock has 70 authorised pitches. The East of England Regional Assembly want to give us another 44 but they don't apply the same rules to other parts of the region, in fact if pitches were spread out evenly, we would have less - not more. "We have had enough and now I plan to campaign to make sure we get a fair break. I have a campaign plan mapped out and all it will take it a little effort by ordinary people to make sure the bureaucrats get the message. If people want to help me make this happen, please call me on 07855 076420."

21-05-2008, 10:06 AM	#3 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,987	The problem is the law says that travellers are an 'ethnic' group and have rights to live their traditional style. The leading case on travellers law used to be the Basildon case where Marc Willers, who has written the definitive book on travellers law, cost Basildon an absolute fortune in legal fees etc. Taking on travellers is a high risk business, but one that in some areas, mainly East Anglia, would strike a chord with the locals. Not many people know that if a school is full and no places are available to the locals, who might have to send their kids elsewhere, the local authority can still be compelled to take up to 3 travellers in each school year should they pitch up on the doorstep. The costs can be high as the law sets maximum numbers of children per class in primary schools and schools can end up having to recruit extra teaching staff or renting portakabin class rooms to cover small numbers of extra children. As each school has its own budget the other children lose out big time when resources are diverted. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

21-05-2008, 01:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,987	Oddly, working through that project might be a way forward. If Clive Broad, through Bob Spink, was to tackle the issue of detritus and illegal sites he might get some co-operation from those members of the traveller community who know that cleaner living and good neighbourliness are the way to improve relations. We're about to get a traveller site on the edge of our town. As I lost my seat on the town council last year I can sit on the side lines and watch the Tories, in Cameron's constituency, fight the good fight. The site is about 400 yards from the local Tory leader's house and she is livid; as she and I don't get on I am mildly amused by it all. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008 Last edited by Aardvark; 21-05-2008 at 01:41 PM.

21-05-2008, 02:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,185 Party: Libertarian Party	Italy are having big issues with "roms" as they call them too. They are trying to kick them out of the country and some of the people are burning their sites. Apparently this action has popular backing there! My Italian friend is getting most annoyed with the EU for telling them they can't. A bit extreme for me, but certainly, if they are throwing rubbish all over the place, then they should be prosecuted like the rest of us. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

21-05-2008, 02:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,987	They don't pay council tax yet they take resources. They don't clear up after themselves. They do sign on. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

21-05-2008, 09:33 AM	#2 (permalink)
BASILDON BOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: N'Djamena, Chad Posts: 1,852	Clive Broad's election results:- Stanford-le-Hope West 2007 results Con 587 Lab 409 BNP 266 UKIP 216 Stanford-le-Hope West 2008 results Con 718 Lab 450 BNP 275 UKIP 165

21-05-2008, 12:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
BASILDON BOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: N'Djamena, Chad Posts: 1,852	Clive Broad might be on a bit of a sticky wicket here! UKIP MP Bob Spink is part of the all party parliamentary group committed to raising the social inclusion of Travellers and improving relations between the settled and Traveller community. The Traveller Law Reform Project :All Party Parliamentary Group on Gypsy and Traveller Law Reform

21-05-2008, 02:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
blueblood1920 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,248 Party: BNP	Hopefully the BNP councillor Emma will take up this issue.

21-05-2008, 02:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,185 Party: Libertarian Party	Sign on. Sign on. With a bic, in your hand, coz you'll never get a job. You'll neeeeeeever get a job. (Man U fans singing to Liverpool fans the time I went years ago). __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

21-05-2008, 04:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,178	Didn't Killjoy-Sulk do a program on this area once he left us? I recall he refused the caravan offered, and went to a hotel...

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode