Praise For Tom Wise Mep

Legin · 15-05-2008, 02:26 PM

This is what people really think about Tom Wise MEP

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Tom Wise
Posted By: P. M. on 15-May-2008
Tom Wise has done nothing other than claim what he is entitled too. It is the system that is wrong; very wrong. It was clearly deliberately set up to give MEPs access to bucket loads of cash so that they felt good about the EU and ended up backing the European ideal. Tom is to be commended because he has been blatantly open about it all. The people to be suspicious about are all the MEPs who are happily pocketing the same allowances but keep very quiet about it..............

Tom Wise
Posted By: Steve Moran on 14-May-2008
So you think Tom is the only MEP to claim thousands of pounds a week in expenses? The whole EU project is a drain on the UK economy. I'm sick of the EU regulations and directives that I as a taxpayer have to pay for!

SCAM BROUGHT TO LIGHT
Posted By: Alex Smhitt on 14-May-2008
It is about time someone exposed the amount of expences available not only Mr Wise claims, but the majority of MEP's from all political parties, from the EU. Mr Wise has done a great service to the whole country, he should be praised and given as much publicity as possible, hopefully every tax payer will then vote for a party to get us out of the corrupt European Union.

Geoffrey Collier · 15-05-2008, 04:05 PM

Are we to assume that when Godfrey Bloom visited the Brussels brothel, it was only intended to publicise the sin of fornication? When the leader of a small British political party, was photographed drunk and prostrate on the floor of a Strasbourg bar, was that intended only to be a timely warning of the dangers of alcohol?

I wonder if I should rob the local bank, to demonstate the human potential for avarice?

eublues · 15-05-2008, 06:55 PM

GC, When are you going to make your leadership bid, so that everything can be run properly in UKIP under your direction?

Aardvark · 15-05-2008, 07:10 PM

Geoffrey,

Getting drunk, sh@gging prostitutes and claiming the excessive allowances you are entitled to are not illegal, even if they are immoral. Robbing a bank is illegal, although some might consider it a moral act of you gave the cash to the poor. The question I suppose is whether UKIP is a moral party or a party that obeys the law.

If Tom Wise, as you suspect might happen, is charged and convicted then he has gone beyond the bounds of legality. I don't know what will happen and have an open mind. If convicted he gets a sentence of less than 12 months then, under UK law, he can join the thief and fraudster Ashley Mote in retaining his seat and he could share the dubious pleasure of representing his constituents from a prison cell as Mr Mote purports to have done. That would not be illegal, but it would certainly demonstrate a dubious morality. I hope Tom is only convicted if he has definitely broken the law, but would think it was bad form for one sixth of our MEPs to spend time in clink (even the Soviets only incarcerated one eighth of their populace during the whole of the gulag era combined and many were genuine political dissidents who faced trumped up charges).

I am determined, should I ever stand for elected office again, to make it clear that I fully intend to drink, I cannot guarantee not to eye up a pretty girl and I will claim the allowances due to me under an unreconstructed system. I will not, however, break the law of our land during my term of office. That's as much as anyone has a right to expect since we don't all share the same morality.

gc · 15-05-2008, 09:12 PM

One of my childhood idols, Gene Vincent (I am showing my age...), when questioned about his rather colourful private life, once said "I drink I smoke and I cuss, and I date lots of pretty women - apparently that makes me different from every other body."

And not just in my childhood, I still think he was the greatest of all....

Mind you, I don't smoke, so perhaps that entitles me to criticise every other aspect of his life.

Geoffrey Collier · 16-05-2008, 11:09 AM

AardVARK: The behaviour of figures in public life, must be of a standard which does not cause you to question their basic integrity, and the lack of Integrity, has been the memberships' major doubt about many of UKIP's senior figures. The absence of integrity destroys that trust which is a vital ingredient for leadership.

There are certain people who should not be trusted with any kind of power. Not because they are necessarily nasty people, all though some are, but because others should not be the victims of either their behaviour or judgement. The dangers of such people in control is self-evident.

At another level, and we have many and constant examples, some of the membership try to find reasons for what the leadership has done, which are frequently close to the surreal. I remember the late Lord Denning once sayimg; 'the law should never be applied when it would offend grieviously against reason and the evidence'. Quite, and excuses should never be accepted when they also, offend grieviously against reason and the evidence. The very idea that the disclosures by Tom Wise could win us votes in the next election, is as preposterous as claiming that our members Benefit Fraud convictions, could be 'vote winners', for they will be seen by the electorate, as our radical commitment to the redistribution wealth.

Akebono · 16-05-2008, 05:59 PM

Yes, GC - this is how we see it as thus :

You pontificate and opinionate on how we should all behave - oh, the large problem is that a geezer like yourself gathers no respect.

Windbag (YOU!!) -take a long, long walk off a short pier!!!!

kernow · 16-05-2008, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gc

One of my childhood idols, Gene Vincent (I am showing my age...)

Was the band Gene Vincent played with, called, "The Blue Caps"? I saw Gene in a very early R&R film, but I can't remember what it was called . Have you any idea?

Geoffrey Collier · 17-05-2008, 11:03 AM

Kernow: You are correct, only it was one word, 'Bluecaps'.

Clippo · 17-05-2008, 11:37 AM

Gene Vincent was one of my pop idols too. I saw him in a show in the Bristol Hippodrome in April 1960 on the same bill as Eddie Cochrane. Following that specific show, the show entourage drove late at night towards London but Eddie was killed when they crashed near Chippenham. ( His current hit then was “ Three Steps to Heaven” - spooky - Gene Vincent was also present but survived this crash)
………………………………..

Re: Geoffrey Collier’s last post I concur absolutely.

To some extent, it is hypocritical of the public to expect their leaders to be ‘perfect’ but if you become a leader in a democracy then moral behaviour is the no.1 criteria by which you are judged.

15-05-2008, 02:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
Legin Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 224	Praise For Tom Wise Mep This is what people really think about Tom Wise MEP Currently displaying the top 3 comments View all 3 comments Tom Wise Posted By: P. M. on 15-May-2008 Tom Wise has done nothing other than claim what he is entitled too. It is the system that is wrong; very wrong. It was clearly deliberately set up to give MEPs access to bucket loads of cash so that they felt good about the EU and ended up backing the European ideal. Tom is to be commended because he has been blatantly open about it all. The people to be suspicious about are all the MEPs who are happily pocketing the same allowances but keep very quiet about it.............. Tom Wise Posted By: Steve Moran on 14-May-2008 So you think Tom is the only MEP to claim thousands of pounds a week in expenses? The whole EU project is a drain on the UK economy. I'm sick of the EU regulations and directives that I as a taxpayer have to pay for! SCAM BROUGHT TO LIGHT Posted By: Alex Smhitt on 14-May-2008 It is about time someone exposed the amount of expences available not only Mr Wise claims, but the majority of MEP's from all political parties, from the EU. Mr Wise has done a great service to the whole country, he should be praised and given as much publicity as possible, hopefully every tax payer will then vote for a party to get us out of the corrupt European Union.

15-05-2008, 07:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 4,254	Geoffrey, Getting drunk, sh@gging prostitutes and claiming the excessive allowances you are entitled to are not illegal, even if they are immoral. Robbing a bank is illegal, although some might consider it a moral act of you gave the cash to the poor. The question I suppose is whether UKIP is a moral party or a party that obeys the law. If Tom Wise, as you suspect might happen, is charged and convicted then he has gone beyond the bounds of legality. I don't know what will happen and have an open mind. If convicted he gets a sentence of less than 12 months then, under UK law, he can join the thief and fraudster Ashley Mote in retaining his seat and he could share the dubious pleasure of representing his constituents from a prison cell as Mr Mote purports to have done. That would not be illegal, but it would certainly demonstrate a dubious morality. I hope Tom is only convicted if he has definitely broken the law, but would think it was bad form for one sixth of our MEPs to spend time in clink (even the Soviets only incarcerated one eighth of their populace during the whole of the gulag era combined and many were genuine political dissidents who faced trumped up charges). I am determined, should I ever stand for elected office again, to make it clear that I fully intend to drink, I cannot guarantee not to eye up a pretty girl and I will claim the allowances due to me under an unreconstructed system. I will not, however, break the law of our land during my term of office. That's as much as anyone has a right to expect since we don't all share the same morality. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

15-05-2008, 09:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
gc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 603	One of my childhood idols, Gene Vincent (I am showing my age...), when questioned about his rather colourful private life, once said "I drink I smoke and I cuss, and I date lots of pretty women - apparently that makes me different from every other body." And not just in my childhood, I still think he was the greatest of all.... Mind you, I don't smoke, so perhaps that entitles me to criticise every other aspect of his life. Last edited by gc; 15-05-2008 at 09:20 PM.

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15-05-2008, 04:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,323	Are we to assume that when Godfrey Bloom visited the Brussels brothel, it was only intended to publicise the sin of fornication? When the leader of a small British political party, was photographed drunk and prostrate on the floor of a Strasbourg bar, was that intended only to be a timely warning of the dangers of alcohol? I wonder if I should rob the local bank, to demonstate the human potential for avarice?

15-05-2008, 06:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,189	GC, When are you going to make your leadership bid, so that everything can be run properly in UKIP under your direction?

16-05-2008, 11:09 AM	#6 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,323	AardVARK: The behaviour of figures in public life, must be of a standard which does not cause you to question their basic integrity, and the lack of Integrity, has been the memberships' major doubt about many of UKIP's senior figures. The absence of integrity destroys that trust which is a vital ingredient for leadership. There are certain people who should not be trusted with any kind of power. Not because they are necessarily nasty people, all though some are, but because others should not be the victims of either their behaviour or judgement. The dangers of such people in control is self-evident. At another level, and we have many and constant examples, some of the membership try to find reasons for what the leadership has done, which are frequently close to the surreal. I remember the late Lord Denning once sayimg; 'the law should never be applied when it would offend grieviously against reason and the evidence'. Quite, and excuses should never be accepted when they also, offend grieviously against reason and the evidence. The very idea that the disclosures by Tom Wise could win us votes in the next election, is as preposterous as claiming that our members Benefit Fraud convictions, could be 'vote winners', for they will be seen by the electorate, as our radical commitment to the redistribution wealth.

16-05-2008, 05:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
Akebono Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 138	Yes, GC - this is how we see it as thus : You pontificate and opinionate on how we should all behave - oh, the large problem is that a geezer like yourself gathers no respect. Windbag (YOU!!) -take a long, long walk off a short pier!!!!

17-05-2008, 11:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,323	Kernow: You are correct, only it was one word, 'Bluecaps'.

17-05-2008, 11:37 AM	#10 (permalink)
Clippo Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cheshire Posts: 2,434	Gene Vincent was one of my pop idols too. I saw him in a show in the Bristol Hippodrome in April 1960 on the same bill as Eddie Cochrane. Following that specific show, the show entourage drove late at night towards London but Eddie was killed when they crashed near Chippenham. ( His current hit then was “ Three Steps to Heaven” - spooky - Gene Vincent was also present but survived this crash) ……………………………….. Re: Geoffrey Collier’s last post I concur absolutely. To some extent, it is hypocritical of the public to expect their leaders to be ‘perfect’ but if you become a leader in a democracy then moral behaviour is the no.1 criteria by which you are judged.