Anthony Butcher

Does the admission that he bought a car with the money that he had siphoned off into his own bank account while pretending it was to be used for a researcher's salary not count? That was very clearly documented in a major national newspaper and has never been challenged as far as I know. Surely the Party Secretary should have initiated action at that point?

Or that he presumably lied to the internal invetigators, Piers Merchant and Trevor Coleman about this matter before it was exposed? Surely that would have merited the initiation of an action by the Party Secretary?

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mkpdavies

I don't know what is the bigger joke. Tom Wise for being a crook in the first place, or UKIP for the ridiculous squirming on this issue.

Seriously, the way this is being handled is shameful. I was right to leave UKIP. As things stand it is run by buffoons.

I have to admit, I always thought Anthony pushed into the realms of being a bit anal, but his stance has been thoroughly vindicated of late. If half the measures he suggested while on the NEC had been taken, NONE of this bollox would have happened. Anyone caught being a crook would be dispatched and UKIP, as a party would look principled and sound.

Currently UKIP looks like a bunch of amateurs, crooks and liars.

I actually am beginning to feel ashamed that I ever had anything to do with it. If this ragtag shower of ***** is the best hope we have got, then we have got no hope.

I just hope people like Spink and the Lords grab hold of the party and make something good of it. As things stand, I simply can't ignore the serious flaws anymore. The idea of UKIP running a bath scares the hell out of me, never mind the country.

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douglas denny

I get tired of repeating this: there was NO documentary evidence suitable to progress with a disc. procedure.

Evidence ...."That was very clearly documented in a major national newspaper" .... is NOT evidence.

That he might or might not have lied to a myriad of people is NOT evidence.

DED.

douglas denny

You worry too much. And protest too much.
Understandable in the circumstances due to frustration - but you lay blame needlessly at the door of UKIP.

The progress of the EU and Britain is mainly OUT of the hands of UKIP.
It is IN the hands of the electorate.

UKIP can only act as a catalyst to bring about change. We can only keep the message before the electorate as best we can until they see the light themselves. Until that happens there will be little change no matter what UKIP does. You people forget that we are where we are because the vast majority of the British electorate want it this way ...... (for now!).

DED.
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P.S. I'm off to the NEC today to try to move things in the right direction if possible. We do our best. Believe me.

DED.

fordtit

No one can doubt that the Tom Wise affair has been handled badly. It has been allowed to drag on for two years. Nigel Farage says he is not a UKIP MEP and yet Mr Wise's website states that he is. He also remains a UKIP member and can refer to himself as a UKIP MEP. It has been suggested to me that Mr Wise may reveal 'certain facts' to the membership and the press if he is stripped of his party membership. Perhaps that's why nothing has been done to resolve this issue.

Anthony Butcher

Yes, it really is enough to start an investigation. He has admitted misuing funds and then paid them back. I really can't think of anything more that you could need to begin an investigation.

Surely if you suspect that he had lied to people and then interviewed them... you would have documented evidence?

It seems to me that you are suggesting that disciplinary hearings can only begin if you are presented with a fully prepared legal case. Shouldn't the Party Secretary initiate investigations and collect evidence? The alternative seems to be that you expect members to try to investigate each other and collect evidence against each other, which is hardly good for morale.

Such passivity seems to be one of the main reasons that the Tom Wise situation is such as mess.

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mkpdavies

I find the idea that he is too crooked to be a UKIP MEP, but not enough of a crook to be chucked out of UKIP derisory.

Seriously Douglas, is it one of your core job descriptions to make UKIP look like a bunch of morons?

Less of the spin. Less of the wriggling. Put the house in order NOW, or demolish it. Britain can't afford to have this farce go on any longer.

Draw a big ******* line in the sand now and transform the party from bunch of Dad's Army like clowns, into a professional unit that welcomes political talent, not tries to drive it out.

Put the call out to all of those that have left in disgust, that the country is now going to come first, instead of trying to make sure there is only one big fish in a very small pond.

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Anthony Butcher

One more thing DD. If he isn't a UKIP MEP but is still using a UKIP website to advertise himself as a UKIP MEP, and using a UKIP email address, surely this is reason enough for a disciplinary investigation? He is demonstrably using the party logo and name for false advertising.

Or is he going to have to start eating babies for you to do anything?

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fordtit

As I said before, it has been suggested he has 'certain facts' he may or may not reveal to both members and the public if he is thrown out of the party. You must draw your own conclusions as to what these 'certain facts' are.

charlie endell

[quote=Anthony Butcher;499580]The statement above claims that Wise was suspended for not informing the party that he was under investigation, just like Ashley Mote.

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Just as Farage never informed his MEP colleagues, or the NEC, that he was under investigation himself.

Case closed, sack him!