Bob FM

So many different threads on the same thing. Are you all forgetting a tiny thing, the EU machine, which is the real culprit here, whether it's Tom Wise, 'the is he or isn't he', still under investigation saga. If Nigel is, and we can only conclude that, but for what. He has stated categorically that he has never employed his son, and has acknowledged he employs his wife. If those are the facts, despite what he may have said way back, he has told me and others that given his work load he needs Secretarial assistance, why shouldn't he employ his wife at the going rate. It strikes me there are a lot of jealous wannabees on this forum. If you want to be, get out there and work for the party, like my team is doing in Swindon. You're like a lot of whining children.

Chairman and PPC Swindon UKIP.

Geoffrey Collier

Bob FM: Nothing wrong in employing your wife, only providing that you do no have an agreement with your MEP colleagues, not to. It was that fact which made it an issue in the first place.

Bob FM

GC, am I correct that was in 2004, before Nigel also became Leader. I think as he says circumstances change.

This from GLW, following my email to him sighting what DD posted on this thread.

Hi,

I don't know who is feeding you this spin but never mind.

I contacted EUkip and offered to to attend either a disciplinary meeting or
an NEC and provide the documentary provenance. Just as I offered you sight
of the documentation.

My offer still stands as it has done at all stages since I first made it.

I would suggest that of seeking help you seek truth rather than spin.

I contacted you as I was informed that you were making claims that Wise had
done nothing wrong. I have no idea where you were making these claims - I
merely contacted you as with others to save YOU sticking your neck out and
getting into any problem as a result of lack of factual data.

Beyond that I care not as long as Tom Wise and the rogues who colluded and
covered up for him are brought to justice for the damage they have done to
EUroScepticism.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

douglas denny

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Ref: The above by GLW.
Especially:-

I (GLW) contacted EUkip and offered to to attend either a disciplinary meeting or
an NEC and provide the documentary provenance.



Comment:-

I can assure you the pony-tailed maniac never contacted me when I was Party Secretary to offer his "evidence" regarding Tom Wise in spite of my asking for it.

And there was considerable correspondence by e-mail at that time involving both him and Niall Warry. The two were working in concert at that time. I have it all on disc somewhere in my archives.

And you will note he says he would have attended an NEC meeting or Disc.meeting if asked regarding TW to "present his evidence".

He never made such an offer to me at any time, nor to anyone on the NEC or to anyone who could make such a thing happen as far as I know - and I would have known.

The man is a liar.

He is also, in my opinion having studied his output over a long period, an agent provocateur who is, I believe, involved in some anti-UKIP organisation whereby he puts out anti-UKIP propaganda on a regular (daily) basis. He has been doing it for years now.
Either he is being paid to spend all of those many hours on the computer every day writing this bilge, (which he denies of course) or he is obsessive/compulsive or clinically insane or all of these. Take your pick, it has to be one or the other IMHO.

GLW has made this Tom Wise business his speciality stick to beat UKIP with for years now. He has only had limited success by cooperating with Mr. Fogg-o-it. They are close friends; Fogg o-it admitted so to me.

The question GLW cannot answer (and will not, as I have already asked him in the past) is:-

If he truly had substantive documentary evidence about TW which he claimed - why not give it willingly without pre-conditions to those who could use it? ... like the police, OLAF, and/or - me - as Party Secretary when I directly requested it, at that time when he was calling for disciplinary action against Tom Wise?

I assured him if such evidence came into my hands it would be acted upon. He dissembled. Nothing happened.

Same with Mr. Fogg-o-it. His evidence was based on a taped interview
only, from what I gleaned later from him in e-mail exchanges. He was invited by me to give his "evidence" and be questioned by the NEC at a crucial NEC meeting which was to debate the Tom Wise issue.
However,.. he was much too busy doing something else that Monday apparently ...(yeah yeah! we know ...too busy ..heard it all before ...!! I know a brush-off when I hear it). What an excellent story that would have provided for him though had he taken the initiative: Headline: 'Investigative journalist explains to UKIP NEC why MEP has fraudulently used monies from EU' ..... wonder why he didn't take up the offer ..?? Not got enough "evidence" perhaps?


Let it not be forgotten too:-

GLW praised and supported the assassination of the Swedish politician by a Muslim fanatic - and then vigorously denied it when caught out and questioned about such an outrageous statement. Also he openly supported and suggested armed insurrection against our government at one time too, until called into question about his ravings when he rapidly back-tracked.

It is evident these people are involved in direct anti-UKIP propaganda.
The interesting question is why? Especially when GLW for example, claims to be vehemently anti-EU, and UKIP despite all its failings is the only effective anti-EU show on the road?
The answer I believe is they have allegiances and agendas which are to support another party? or organisation? or government department? The interesting thing to speculate is which one .... ?

Over to you:-

DED.
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T.N.Warry

GLW is only after the truth coming out. Before UKIP MEPs went native GLW would be in regular contact with all and sundry in UKIP. He held a number of Eurosceptic W/Es in which I recall Tom Wise attending. On one occasion I recall Tom was in charge of collecting money for the Sunday lunch. ( I hasten to add the publican did get paid!!!)GLW works for no one any more than you could argue Nigel is seriallly ineffective in order to get theTories to nominate him for a Peerage! You see UKIP should have incrementally grown as the country became more Eurosceptic. The reverse is the case as, badly lead, UKIP becomes an irrelevance.

As to DD's justification for not calling a disciplinary hearing it is laughable. IMHO he was after carrying favour with the Leadership by trying to brush Tom's alleged offences under the carpet. His failure to carry out his duty has meant the Tom Wise affair has done great damage to the Party. Interestingly he now says Tom should resign? DD along with UKIP MEPs are all part of the problem and help explain why UKIP is increasingly NOT talken seriously.