Tom Wise: An announcement

Petrina · 10-05-2008, 11:21 PM

So Roger`s decision may be all important after all.On balance UKIP`s MEPs would be better off out ,otherwise they will look as if they are trimming their sails on the withdrawal issue.
The group has not resulted in any obvious increase in useful research ,or pamphlets or leaflets or frankly anything to help the anti EU effort .God knows what all that funding has been used for.
If there has been a lot of useful work perhaps Gary C and John Petley could publish some of it as I understand both of them are very sound researchers .

kernow · 10-05-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by fordtit

At one time I thought the Ind Dem group was a very good idea. After reading both Tom Wise's and Roger Knapman's statements I have come to the conclusion the sooner all our MEPs leave it the better.

I agree 100%!

fordtit · 11-05-2008, 09:59 AM

It looks like the Ind Dem Group is finished. If Knapman and those Polish MEPs leave thats the end of that.

Barboo · 11-05-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ukiprule

There are only two poles in the group which are Urszula Krupa and Witold Tomczak

The European parliament's website lists Bernard Wojciechowski as the third Polish member of the Ind/Dem group.

Rule 29 of the EP's Rules of Procedure states:
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2. A political group shall comprise Members elected in at least one-fifth of the Member States. The minimum number of Members required to form a political group shall be twenty.
ends

Following Tom Wise's departure the group consists of 23 members.

harryaldridge · 11-05-2008, 10:56 AM

Two problems: 1. UKIP had a smaller pool from which to pick MEPs in 2003/4 and hopefully there will be better talent to choose this time round 2. Despite the EP elections using a list system the party cannot unseat its own MEPs - withdrawing the whip is pretty pathethic and doesn't solve the problem.

The likes of Wise should be deselected this time round.

Anthony Butcher · 11-05-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

One more thought - did he jump before he was pushed?

I guess that the News of the World article answers this question. About five hours before they published an article exposing his antics in Brussels he decided to leave the group? Coincidence?

Westcountryman · 11-05-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

I guess that the News of the World article answers this question. About five hours before they published an article exposing his antics in Brussels he decided to leave the group? Coincidence?

Taking a 'principled stance' no less!

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10-05-2008, 11:21 PM	#21 (permalink)
Petrina Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: sussex Posts: 918	So Roger`s decision may be all important after all.On balance UKIP`s MEPs would be better off out ,otherwise they will look as if they are trimming their sails on the withdrawal issue. The group has not resulted in any obvious increase in useful research ,or pamphlets or leaflets or frankly anything to help the anti EU effort .God knows what all that funding has been used for. If there has been a lot of useful work perhaps Gary C and John Petley could publish some of it as I understand both of them are very sound researchers .

11-05-2008, 09:59 AM	#23 (permalink)
fordtit Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sunny East Posts: 118	It looks like the Ind Dem Group is finished. If Knapman and those Polish MEPs leave thats the end of that.