kernow

What on a forum where most people don't use their real names!

mkpdavies

And that fact can be used when you judge the comments.

BA has never hidden his identity. He is honest and true to his principles. I would rather be fighting in the trenches with people like him, than liars and devious ******* who you couldn't trust not to stab you in the back.

If Britain had more people like BA in politics, Britain wouldn't be in the **** that it is now.

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B.A.Ware

As you are aware my name is no secret and as you were criticising me i don't understand that statement. There is also a big difference between criticising the party and revealing internal secrets which could harm the party some of which i have been privy to but i have never posted them on here.

Lets get one thing straight yes i have criticised the party for various reasons, i believe in calling a spade a spade and i will stand by my comments as i truly believe they are in the interest of the party.
Most of my criticisms have been about the need to change ie openness, transparency, core values,vision, party relaunch, the website addressing peoples immediate concerns not just the EU, marketing the party so people don't just see it as a single issue party.

I have had Douglas Denny on here telling me not to worry about the national image just get out there and campaign, like you he doesn't realise that is just what i have been doing for the past four years and the answer is always the same "UKIP your only interested in the EU" then i get told tell people how the EU affects their everyday life, something i have been doing since i started it doesn't make any difference so i feed this back only to be told by people like yourself that i am a trouble causer and i should toe the party line regardless.

It might be different where you live but in a city people are very insular and don't seem to want to get involved. Now you can carry on living the dream but i live in the real world and UKIP has made no advances here in a matter of fact it has gone back-wards (see Birmingham results in the Results section) i lost 109 votes this election -22% and i got the top result out of the 13 candidates standing the BNP beat us in 11 of these wards if you think that is moving forward then you are just kidding yourself.

This relentless message of telling people about the EU will not work yes i know it is one of our main goals but it should stay in the background and we should concentrate on domestic issues you know the ones that interest the general public the ones we would have to address if ever we got into power.

So think on when you have a go at me for criticising the party whether it is on a forum or any other medium it is feed back from the man on the street not me being self righteous.

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B.A.Ware

Matt thank you very much indeed for those kind words it is knowing people like you are out there that give me the strength to carry on.

Sometimes you feel like packing it all up but when i see someone who not only doesn't smoke but suffers from asthma standing up for libertarian freedoms of allowing businesses to choose there own smoking policy it gives you that slight chink of hope that there are more like you out there.

The power of the forum (ain't heard that in a long time.)

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kernow

Thank you for your full explanation and I believe your heart is in the right place! I still have a problem with UKIP members discussing on a public forum what in their opinion is wrong with the party. If a safe closed forum could be thought up for members only , then I'd be all for us putting in our two pennyworth, which I think would help the party. In my opinion as things stand every derogatory statement made about UKIP on this public forum, hands our enemies another stick to beat us with!

douglas denny

Your not the only one.
I've been doing it for years.

Doesn't work for some: they keep on sniping just the same; especially about the leader(s) - any leader - all of 'em; and the NEC; and the MEPs; in fact anything to do with UKIP.

I wonder why?
UKIP is the only salvation available for the country now ....save civil war.

DED.

douglas denny

Bernard. Nothing wrong in criticising the party if you have positive alternatives. You think you have: fair enough. You state them; that's fine by me.

Don't think your campaigning makes no difference however, - it does make a difference - and more power to your elbow! Good on yer! Remember the idea of the 'butterfly effect' in chaos theory: the smallest bat of a wing can make a difference to a storm on the other side of the Earth i.e. to large scale (global) events.

Also in case you haven't noticed: it has been a core policy shift in the last year at least (actually long before that though not so noticable) to try to broaden the policy appeal to the electorate, deliberately to get away from the 'one issue party' image. The recent development of D. Campbell-Bannerman's policy groups to concentrate on radical policy development, by using the expertise of people who really know what they are talking about in the different policy areas is the latest and best strategy to do this.

Always though we are beset with the usual problems of getting the message out not only to the electorate with a mute and hostile media deliberately ignoring us; but to our own membership too as we can only put so much (too little) into the only method of reaching directly to all members - the 'Independence News'. Believe me, we want to get the message out.

You are right.
I know. We all know. The public don't know. That is the problem. We are beset with propaganda by the opposition (by their control of the media) to deliberately engender that.

I understand that. Why do you think I put up with all the cr@p on here and keep posting? Answer: to keep the information flowing if possible and counter the anti-UKIP propaganda. I could just dissappear for good. Some here are genuine people who really care for the country. It shows. The rest can go to Hell in a handcart as far as I am concerned. You are not included Bernard.

DED.

douglas denny

Depends on how damaging the criticism is and on the facts behind the criticism, and who is making the criticism. Mr. Foggit of the Telegraph (or is it Times - I have both) has tried hard but can't come up with anything substantive or really damaging.

On this forum it is letting off steam mostly, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Also, there is a Darwinian element in that criticism makes those criticised sit-up and think, and perhaps modify their ideas/behaviour which has the effect of improving the outcome.

Without it lies the road to despotism. Leaders without the restraining influence of an opposition become bullys and despots. Take Mugabe for example.


DED.

ukiprule

I gave my dvd to my local lim dem councillor wonder if she has watched it yet.

douglas denny

I am very pleased to hear this. I hope everyone in the country sees it.

I might point out (to boost my ego a bit): It was me at an NEC meeting having watched the DVD, that mentioned that the Referendum Party was the first to go in for direct propaganda by TV media to the public by sending out a VHS video tape by post, to millions of houses throughout the country: in fact the goal was to get one in every other house in the country.

It was a remarkably foresighted idea: never had been done before, and was spectacularly successful. It raised the profile of the RP from nothing at all - totally unknown - to being known by the public (the biggest single hurdle which takes political parties at least ten years to do otherwise) within a month. It was one of the biggest bills Sir Jimmy Goldsmith had to pick up in the campaign - it cost millions.

I said (hopefully) is there any possibility it could be sent out like the RP did? .... The answer was: nice idea ... but the cost ........... !


DED.