Smoking Ban To Be Reversed?

g hall · 09-05-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by John Connor

She appeared completely oblivious to reason and logic.

There's a lot of it about

TomPhil · 09-05-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by g hall

There's a lot of it about

Indeed, I've noticed a lot in this thread, and I'm not talking about my posts.

TomPhil · 09-05-2008, 11:11 AM

Right, I think I've made my point. You can agree or disagree, that's you prerogative: I will not call for you to be gassed. I would love to sit here all day discussing the finer points of liberalism, exactly what evidence there is and is not about the dangers of breathing in toxic and carcinogenic chemicals, what you should and should not be able to do on private premises, etc. I remain firmly in favour of the smoking ban, in my view the best piece of legislation passed by the Labour Government.

However, I do have other things to do as well, so I think that I shall leave it for now. I'll check this thread again later to see if anything interesting has been contributed. Thank you for an interesting discussion.

Englishdan · 09-05-2008, 11:26 AM

As a lifelong non smoker I feel that pubs should regulate themselves. One thing I do know aa a lifelong drinker of 50 years is that non smokers in pubs are in the minority. If pubs had to rely on the supporter of the non smokers they will go bankrupt in no time. The staff question concerning the inhalation of smoke to me appears a stupid one, there are hundreds of job, if not thousands in mining of all sorts and the civil engineering and building industries where jobs are just as dangerous, so dont work in a bar if it concerns you. Landlords are having a bad enough time of it with taxes and entertainment licences so dont need any government to put an extra burden on them

mkpdavies · 09-05-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TomPhil

I watched that video. Very interesting indeed. I largely agreed with it, and I was pleased to see that it fully supports my position. According to the video, no-one has the right to take another's life (and thus, by implication, his health). Smokers are damaging the health of others. They have no right to do this. Therefore the smoking ban is fully justified under liberal principles. Thank you for the link.

Truly delusional justification for fascism.

You have COMPLETELY ignored the fact that the person THEMSELVES would have to CHOOSE to accept the hospitality of a pub owner, given the condition that he accepts smoking is allowed on the LANDLORDS property. Thus they would be taking the RISK through their own CHOICE.

You are only deluding yourself dude. You do not support freedom or liberty.

mkpdavies · 09-05-2008, 01:37 PM

Lets see if we can lift the veil of delusion from the people who think they want freedom, but still have major symptoms of fascism.

A flow chart.

Do you want to use a pub?

no
Go Home

Yes
Do you accept the pubs terms.

no
Go home.

yes
Do you mind the smoke?
no
Cool stay.

Yes
You have a choice. Put up with it, find another pub, stay at home or start your own pub.

End of story.

TannyD · 09-05-2008, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Lets see if we can lift the veil of delusion from the people who think they want freedom, but still have major symptoms of fascism.

A flow chart.

Do you want to use a pub?

no
Go Home

Yes
Do you accept the pubs terms.

no
Go home.

yes
Do you mind the smoke?
no
Cool stay.

Yes
You have a choice. Put up with it, find another pub, stay at home or start your own pub.

End of story.

Too True, the Government want to control and ruin everything they can it seems.

TannyD · 09-05-2008, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Connor

Speaking of bingo, here's a little nugget.

A friends of my mum's goes to bingo twice a week. I asked her how the smoking ban was affecting bingo and she starts with the usual anti-smoking rant (toxic fumes, etc.). Then she starts on about how since the ban all the smokers are staying home so there's only about ten folks in the place... ...and proceeds to call smokers "selfish" for choosing to stay home (they can't smoke around her but they must keep her company!). She appeared completely oblivious to reason and logic.

In my experiience, most old people are....
Plus the level of moaning from some of them when you help them when they ask for assistance, then they change their minds about what item they are looking for and in what colour then they decide they don't want to buy anything and walk out the door sighing and loudly tutting complaining about the awful youth of today and how horrid and unhelpful they are, somewhat directed at me as I look about 15. **** off back to yoiur scabby care home you stupid old ungrateful bag!!!!

cookie65 · 09-05-2008, 02:59 PM

SuperSmoker - The alternative cigarette.

I have ordered one off these and will use it at the next Council meeting. I will let you know how I get on.
I reckon the Anti Smoking fascists will still complain.

TomPhil · 09-05-2008, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B.A.Ware

What a complete prat, first of all he believes in the ******** about passive smoking, secondly he knows nothing about local pubs and knows nothing about OAPS who visit pubs,if he BOTHERED to do any research 50 years ago most people smoked these are the OAPS of today the very same OAPs who are standing in the freezing cold whether they be at bingo or pubs this guy is a selfish ******* that only cares about himself at the cost of others.

OK, I've BOTHERED to do some research. The over 60 age group is the group with the least prevelance of smoking. Indeed, only about 12.5% of over 60s smoke, compared to 25% of the general population. That means that 87.5% don't smoke, and have the right to socialise in a smoke free environment. Point proven. I'll refrain from calling you a prat, though. Thank you.

Reference: Cancer Research UK : Lung Cancer and Smoking statistics

09-05-2008, 11:11 AM	#83 (permalink)
TomPhil Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Stockport Posts: 497 Party: UKIP	Right, I think I've made my point. You can agree or disagree, that's you prerogative: I will not call for you to be gassed. I would love to sit here all day discussing the finer points of liberalism, exactly what evidence there is and is not about the dangers of breathing in toxic and carcinogenic chemicals, what you should and should not be able to do on private premises, etc. I remain firmly in favour of the smoking ban, in my view the best piece of legislation passed by the Labour Government. However, I do have other things to do as well, so I think that I shall leave it for now. I'll check this thread again later to see if anything interesting has been contributed. Thank you for an interesting discussion. __________________ "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." In Labour we trusted and now we are busted... again. It's the economy, stupid.

09-05-2008, 01:37 PM	#86 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	Lets see if we can lift the veil of delusion from the people who think they want freedom, but still have major symptoms of fascism. A flow chart. Do you want to use a pub? no Go Home Yes Do you accept the pubs terms. no Go home. yes Do you mind the smoke? no Cool stay. Yes You have a choice. Put up with it, find another pub, stay at home or start your own pub. End of story. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems Last edited by mkpdavies; 09-05-2008 at 01:43 PM.

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09-05-2008, 11:26 AM	#84 (permalink)
Englishdan Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hempstead Kent Posts: 58	As a lifelong non smoker I feel that pubs should regulate themselves. One thing I do know aa a lifelong drinker of 50 years is that non smokers in pubs are in the minority. If pubs had to rely on the supporter of the non smokers they will go bankrupt in no time. The staff question concerning the inhalation of smoke to me appears a stupid one, there are hundreds of job, if not thousands in mining of all sorts and the civil engineering and building industries where jobs are just as dangerous, so dont work in a bar if it concerns you. Landlords are having a bad enough time of it with taxes and entertainment licences so dont need any government to put an extra burden on them

09-05-2008, 02:59 PM	#89 (permalink)
cookie65 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hyde cheshire Posts: 630	SuperSmoker - The alternative cigarette. I have ordered one off these and will use it at the next Council meeting. I will let you know how I get on. I reckon the Anti Smoking fascists will still complain.