Smoking Ban To Be Reversed?

mkpdavies · 08-05-2008, 05:46 PM

My sense of humour on this issue is roughly nil. You can probably tell.

Millennium3 · 08-05-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

My sense of humour on this issue is roughly nil. You can probably tell.

Must have a thought for your stomach acid levels

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mkpdavies · 08-05-2008, 05:55 PM

Don't joke, I go through a pack of Morrisons fruity antacid pills every week.

Millennium3 · 08-05-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Don't joke, I go through a pack of Morrisons fruity antacid pills every week.

My consumption of Rennie is pretty high - I was wondering if I could bulk buy anywhere.

tammy_cat · 08-05-2008, 06:20 PM

If you have read the UKIP policy, then the party is not advocating a complete reversal of the smoking ban, but a halfway house with non-smoking and ventilated smoking areas. Where this is not possible, then the landlord chooses and must put up clear notices as to whether it is a smoking or non-smoking pub.

To TomPhil:

You stated that your social life would be restricted, if the smoking ban were reversed, but that smokers can simply go outside and smoke, so their social life is not restricted. However you have only thought of yourself. You have not thought of all the OAPs, whose only social life is a trip to the local pub or the local bingo hall. Forcing these people out into the freezing cold in the winter is not only going to interfere with their social life, but also with their life itself, as they are extremely likely to develop pneumonia. As a result many of them no longer go out at all in the winter, with the result that they are completely isolated socially.

Now choose the least damaging option:

1. Your social life being restricted.
2. OAPs life being cut short or forcing them to suffer social deprivation.

If you still choose 1., then you are truly selfish.

Millennium3 · 08-05-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tammy_cat

If you have read the UKIP policy, then the party is not advocating a complete reversal of the smoking ban, but a halfway house with non-smoking and ventilated smoking areas. Where this is not possible, then the landlord chooses and must put up clear notices as to whether it is a smoking or non-smoking pub.

To TomPhil:

You stated that your social life would be restricted, if the smoking ban were reversed, but that smokers can simply go outside and smoke, so their social life is not restricted. However you have only thought of yourself. You have not thought of all the OAPs, whose only social life is a trip to the local pub or the local bingo hall. Forcing these people out into the freezing cold in the winter is not only going to interfere with their social life, but also with their life itself, as they are extremely likely to develop pneumonia. As a result many of them no longer go out at all in the winter, with the result that they are completely isolated socially.

Now choose the least damaging option:

1. Your social life being restricted.
2. OAPs life being cut short or forcing them to suffer social deprivation.

If you still choose 1., then you are truly selfish.

My son is working as a chef at an old peoples home at the moment - there the old people, who are mostly infirmed, have to go outside to smoke - winter or summer. For many this is one of their few remaining pleasures - seems like the height of cruelty to me.

tammy_cat · 08-05-2008, 06:39 PM

Where I really do think the smoking ban is cruel is in hospitals. Doctors and nurses are always claimed to be wonderful people devoting their lives to the sick and injured. How can they be so totally devoid of humanity as to force patients to give up smoking, when they are at their lowest ebb and so ill that they have to be admitted to hospital. This to me is 'cruel and unususual treatment' and against the human rights legislation.

Millennium3 · 08-05-2008, 06:58 PM

Many of the old people, who arrive at the old peoples home, don't seem to last long - probably the smokers giving up on the will to live!

g hall · 08-05-2008, 07:51 PM

The smoking ban is to help hit the self imposed targets by the EU and for no other reason.

What these people do not seem to understand is that EVERYBODY DIES

As has been said there should be balance the bad news is we are governed by people with an attitude of NAZI oops sorry nanny knows best well I'm sorry I want the choice

TomPhil · 08-05-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Millennium3

Many of the old people, who arrive at the old peoples home, don't seem to last long - probably the smokers giving up on the will to live!

Or perhaps the smokers dying of smoking related diseases.

08-05-2008, 05:46 PM	#61 (permalink)
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g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erehwon Posts: 5,233	The smoking ban is to help hit the self imposed targets by the EU and for no other reason. What these people do not seem to understand is that EVERYBODY DIES As has been said there should be balance the bad news is we are governed by people with an attitude of NAZI oops sorry nanny knows best well I'm sorry I want the choice __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful."

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08-05-2008, 06:20 PM	#65 (permalink)
tammy_cat Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 68	If you have read the UKIP policy, then the party is not advocating a complete reversal of the smoking ban, but a halfway house with non-smoking and ventilated smoking areas. Where this is not possible, then the landlord chooses and must put up clear notices as to whether it is a smoking or non-smoking pub. To TomPhil: You stated that your social life would be restricted, if the smoking ban were reversed, but that smokers can simply go outside and smoke, so their social life is not restricted. However you have only thought of yourself. You have not thought of all the OAPs, whose only social life is a trip to the local pub or the local bingo hall. Forcing these people out into the freezing cold in the winter is not only going to interfere with their social life, but also with their life itself, as they are extremely likely to develop pneumonia. As a result many of them no longer go out at all in the winter, with the result that they are completely isolated socially. Now choose the least damaging option: 1. Your social life being restricted. 2. OAPs life being cut short or forcing them to suffer social deprivation. If you still choose 1., then you are truly selfish.

08-05-2008, 06:39 PM	#67 (permalink)
tammy_cat Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 68	Where I really do think the smoking ban is cruel is in hospitals. Doctors and nurses are always claimed to be wonderful people devoting their lives to the sick and injured. How can they be so totally devoid of humanity as to force patients to give up smoking, when they are at their lowest ebb and so ill that they have to be admitted to hospital. This to me is 'cruel and unususual treatment' and against the human rights legislation.

08-05-2008, 06:58 PM	#68 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,210	Many of the old people, who arrive at the old peoples home, don't seem to last long - probably the smokers giving up on the will to live!