Smoking Ban To Be Reversed? - Page 3

g hall · 06-05-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ea of Dune

I really don't see why we don't have a license for smoking venues. It's easy, smokers don't have to go to a no-smoking pub, and non-smokers don't have to go to a smoking pub.
What is wrong with giving people a choice, all the people, smokers, non-smokers and landlords?

Ea of dune

You can't have choice for the consumer that implies that the nanny state is wrong

g hall · 06-05-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by zbrahead

Fair point, and I must admit that I dislike going through the doors of a pub now (due to smokers gathered outside)

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The building may be privately owned, but it is a public service, which is regulated and therefore the government does have a say.

A public service, are you mad, pub companies and licensees are there to make a living if it means that they allow smokers in then it should be down to them not some government apparatchik

If a non smoking pub is a good idea open one let the market decide

Smidgey · 06-05-2008, 04:12 PM

I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but the pub I used go to was a non-smoking pub. Only one of my friends smokes, so he used to go outside. This was how that pub marketed itself, and I have to say it was quite successeful. Along comes the smoking ban and not only are smoking pubs hit, but so are the non-smoking pubs who no longer have that niche of the market - they just become another old pub like the rest of them and lost out on a tonne of sales.

Shame really...

Eurosceptic Atlanticist · 07-05-2008, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by zbrahead

Fair point, and I must admit that I dislike going through the doors of a pub now (due to smokers gathered outside)

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The building may be privately owned, but it is a public service, which is regulated and therefore the government does have a say.

Just because the government has used the force of legislation it doesn't make it right.

TannyD · 07-05-2008, 10:57 AM

But if the ban is reversed, that gives me freedom and after I have know restriction and behaving myself, what would I do? I am reallly reallly scared and confused!!!!
I want to be a good like sheeple, just liek mummy told me I shoyuld bee!!

John Connor · 08-05-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

What is a position of true power then pray tell?

Council Smoking Ban Enforcement Officer.

TomPhil · 08-05-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I believe smoke should be forcibliy blown into the wombs of mothers that have little fascists brewing up inside them. Clense these ******* out of existence before they have a chance to impose their fascism on people who own pubs.

That comment is extremely offensive. Many unborn babies and children every year are damaged due to the irresponsible smoking of their parents and other people. Everyone has the right to their opinion, and should not be subject to such insensitive and offensive slurs for expressing it. I'm sure many people on this forum, including myself, know of people - relatives, friends, etc., who have died as a result of smoking, and of the profound impact that their smoking induced illness and death can have on many people beyond themselves.

People who support the smoking ban are not fascists, they are people who want the freedom to socialise with others without being subjected to breathing dangerous and toxic chemicals. Sometimes one has to balance two different and opposing freedoms. There is my freedom, as a non-smoker, to go out and socialise with my friends, colleagues, etc. in a smoke-free environment, and the "freedom" of the smoker to pollute the air with toxic chemicals.

If the smoking ban was repealed, then my freedom would be seriously restricted. I would be unable to attend many of the pubs in the country, and also would be unable to attend various social gatherings which were held at such pubs (if I chose to go my evening would be ruined and throughly unpleasant, and my health damaged). The impact that would have on my social life (and my prospects at work, which would be hindered by not being able to socialise with my colleagues who regularly socialise at a pub that previously was very smoky), would mean a great restriction on my freedom in this area. On the other hand, the smoking ban simply means that those of the population who are stupid enough to spend significant amounts of money on regularly inhaling extremely toxic chemical cocktails must go outside the pub to smoke. It's nothing like the imposition placed on me if there is no smoking ban. They are not prohibited in any way from going to a pub, as I would be if there was no smoking ban. If you choose to participate in the mindless activity of smoking, then is it only a small ask that you do not inflict it on other more sensible people.

John Connor · 08-05-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TomPhil

People who support the smoking ban are not fascists

Yes, they are. They're telling people what they can and can't do on their own private property.

Nothing was preventing you from starting your own non-smoking pub. Nothing was preventing you from supporting a compromise solution, such as that used in Spain. But no, you have to support a total ban. That's fascism mate, whether you think it is or not.

komerad · 08-05-2008, 04:01 PM

During the Wales Assembly Elections (last year), one of the items on the UKIP manifesto was "the smoking ban to be reversed"
This I believe was the idea of John Whitaker, who thought it was a sure vote winner.
The office was inundated with telephone calls wth people saying they agreed with a lot of UKIP's policy, but would NOT vote for us because of our smoking strategy - it cost us many votes.

It was the same when out leafleting -a vote loser!!!!!!!!

TomPhil · 08-05-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by John Connor

Yes, they are. They're telling people what they can and can't do on their own private property.

Nothing was preventing you from starting your own non-smoking pub. Nothing was preventing you from supporting a compromise solution, such as that used in Spain. But no, you have to support a total ban. That's fascism mate, whether you think it is or not.

If advocating a total ban on something is fascism, then I'm a fascist. Why, I advocate a total ban on many things. Murder, for example. Even when it's done on your own private property. Theft. I don't care where you steal my item from, I still think that you should be banned from doing so. I hope that under this bizarre definition that you have set down, you are also a fascist. Otherwise I would hate to live in your world, where everything is allowed, meaning that nobody has any freedom at all.

Let's be realistic about this. Some things have to be banned. We may disagree on what should and should not be banned, but do we really get anywhere by name calling and affixing hyperbolical labels to things?

06-05-2008, 04:12 PM	#23 (permalink)
Smidgey Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,794 Party: None	I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but the pub I used go to was a non-smoking pub. Only one of my friends smokes, so he used to go outside. This was how that pub marketed itself, and I have to say it was quite successeful. Along comes the smoking ban and not only are smoking pubs hit, but so are the non-smoking pubs who no longer have that niche of the market - they just become another old pub like the rest of them and lost out on a tonne of sales. Shame really... __________________ Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone. When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will. -Frederic Bastiat

07-05-2008, 10:57 AM	#25 (permalink)
TannyD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gloucester-Land of the Gulls!!! Posts: 609	But if the ban is reversed, that gives me freedom and after I have know restriction and behaving myself, what would I do? I am reallly reallly scared and confused!!!! I want to be a good like sheeple, just liek mummy told me I shoyuld bee!! __________________ TannyD, like Sunny D only better!! Life would be much easier if I had the source code. http://gloucesterr.myminicity.com Last edited by TannyD; 07-05-2008 at 11:00 AM.

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08-05-2008, 04:01 PM	#29 (permalink)
komerad Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cardiff. S.Wales Posts: 487	During the Wales Assembly Elections (last year), one of the items on the UKIP manifesto was "the smoking ban to be reversed" This I believe was the idea of John Whitaker, who thought it was a sure vote winner. The office was inundated with telephone calls wth people saying they agreed with a lot of UKIP's policy, but would NOT vote for us because of our smoking strategy - it cost us many votes. It was the same when out leafleting -a vote loser!!!!!!!!