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View Poll Results: A good result for UKIP in London?
Excellent 2 5.00%
Good 0 0%
Indifferent 3 7.50%
Poor 7 17.50%
Terrible 28 70.00%
Don't Know/Care 0 0%
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default A good London result for UKIP?

Following on from the Local Elections poll, I thought that we could have one for the London results.

UKIP achieved 0.92% of the vote in the Mayoral election and 3.01% of the vote for the Assembly, down from 8.18% last time. It lost both of its seats on the GLA. The average is, however, slightly higher than the average for the General Election in 2005.

You can find a full breakdown of the UKIP results here:
UKIP London Election Results 2008

I voted poor, based on the criteria I set out earlier today. The party achieved less than half its previous vote and lost both seats. The Mayoral result was terrible.
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:09 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Lost both seats, nowhere near gaining a seat and that on the back of Batten saying he hopes 3 or 4 gains. I voted terrible.
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Disaster I vote. Couldn't be much worse really.

Locals were better than expected. So overall, neutral.

UKIP need to put their thinking caps on about London. You can't expect to be taken seriously, when you get such crappy results in the capital!

I think the real issue is probably cash. A battle bus just isn't going to cut it on its own.As a matter of urgency, the leadership need to guide the drones into creating revenue streams. That is going to be very hard with the current "brand" I am afraid.

Having said that, UKIP has the EU elections that may provide the springboard. I am sure Farage has some stuff lined up for that.
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To add insult to injury, the BBC forgot to include Gerrard Batten in their list of first preference votes here:
BBC NEWS | Politics | Johnson wins London mayoral race

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Boris Johnson (Tory): 1,043,761
Ken Livingstone (Lab): 893,877
Brian Paddick (Lib Dem): 236,685
Sian Berry, (Green): 77,374
Richard Barnbrook (BNP): 69,710
Alan Craig, (Christian Choice): 39,249
Lindsey German (Left List): 16,796
Matt O'Connor, (Eng Democrats): 10,695
Winston McKenzie (Ind): 5,389
Gerrard was just ahead of the Left List, but way behind the Christian Choice candidate, in 7th place
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They seem to "forget" UKIP quite a lot.

I see nothing good in those results above. Even the BNP, who put in a showing at least, must be bitterly disapointed overall.

Scraped a seat in the Assembly though. It'll be lonely for the guy in there, there are no allies AT ALL.

So what's everyone going to do then. Keep watching this car crash every time, or join one of the old parties and hijack em!

I'm going to stick with my little band for now, but I am pessimistic that even the most organised, professional and principled party in the world has a very tough job in breaking through the MSM induced mass hypnosis.

Seriously, add up all of the votes from green down and it is still pitiful.
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They seem to "forget" UKIP quite a lot.
No surprise there then - this is the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation we are talking about after all.
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They seem to "forget" UKIP quite a lot.

I see nothing good in those results above. Even the BNP, who put in a showing at least, must be bitterly disapointed overall.

Scraped a seat in the Assembly though. It'll be lonely for the guy in there, there are no allies AT ALL.

So what's everyone going to do then. Keep watching this car crash every time, or join one of the old parties and hijack em!

I'm going to stick with my little band for now, but I am pessimistic that even the most organised, professional and principled party in the world has a very tough job in breaking through the MSM induced mass hypnosis.

Seriously, add up all of the votes from green down and it is still pitiful.
I had been trying to make the point to B yesterday, that since time is short [in so far as it is unknown how long we have to get some change in our relationship with the EU with the, self amending LT coming into force from 1.1.09 and QMV five years later] - it is time for the anti EU movement to take stock.

With something like 8% of the total vote and the need to get at least 20% to provide an outside chance of enough seats to hold the balance in a hung parliament, the anti EU parties should not be fighting each other. Ideally, they would work together under a, say, British Democratic Alliance, with a common but restricted manifesto - each party taking responsibility for the constituencies where they are strongest.

I think there is every indication that all of the parties, with the exception of UKIP, would be prepared to work together - even if they had to hold their noses when dealing with the BNP because of the racial undertones - in fact some do this already. However, even though UKIP have obtained a very small share of the vote and the chances of pushing this up to 20%+ by the time of the GE after next are very small - particularly if they are competing with the BNP who are obviously gaining strength because of the general and growing concern over immigration, there is no chance of this happening whilst NF is leader.

There can be little doubt of the commitment to the cause of these non UKIP party members since none of them hold any paid office and if the UKIP leadership is not prepared to work with these others - the concern arises that it is because the UKIP MEPs want to protect their richly rewarded jobs.

This leaves UKIP members who are not positioning themselves to join the gravy train, who are genuine in their wish to change our relationship with the EU a dilemma - should they remain loyal to UKIP and try to change the party from within with little hope of success whilst NF is leader - or should they leave and join one of the other parties whose priority is to gain change - before it is too late.
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I think unmitigated disater just about sums it up. Shame really, considering the hard work put in by many activists.

In the analysis we now need to have a think about what happened. Did we manage to get our message across? Did people hear our message but were not drawn to it? If so, why?
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I voted 'terrible'. After all, one must call a spade a spade!

It's a real shame, because I personally think Batten was a strong candidate.
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i voted "terrible".
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