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Old 24-04-2008, 10:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I must say I find it surprising but most of all disappointing when I hear smokers protest about the smoking ban (and often deliberately flout it) with the arguments ‘well what about my human rights: it is just the ‘nanny state’ gone mad’ and ‘there is nothing wrong with smoking, we’ve been doing it for centuries’. I absolutely agree that to smoke or not to smoke is a personal choice: however, I am not sure I am in agreement with the human rights argument, or that there is nothing wrong with smoking! Medical evidence strongly suggests otherwise: however, if a person chooses to smoke well then that is their choice and it is their decision not to heed the warnings (not least to their wallets).

However, I do think the militant mindset of some who believe the smoking ban to be ‘a breach of their human rights’ is not only blinkered but also outdated. Yes smoking was socially acceptable, but then in days gone by a dog fouling on the pavement or in the park was also not seen as a problem. That was until medical evidence proved that not only is dog mess rather unpleasant stuck on your shoe, but more importantly can lead to blindness in children. Suddenly, although sadly not entirely throughout Britain’s society, it was not socially acceptable to allow your dog to foul in public places without cleaning up behind it.

I think we can all agree that this is not only a social obligation (often reinforced by local by-laws) that is sensible but also necessary. So why do smokers believe they have the right not to adapt to how society perceives actions, most especially in the light of overwhelming medical evidence. Yes indeed there is always conflicting scientific evidence on issues, but in regard to smoking and the damaging effect it has on not only smokers’ health but also on ‘passive smokers’, the evidence is overwhelming. And in regard to ‘their human right’ well nobody is stopping them smoking full-stop; and therefore I cannot see how it is infringing this rather warped perspective of a ‘human right’ (it also amazes me that most people who are claiming this right usually denounce human rights legislation)! All that the smoking ban ensures is that smokers just cannot smoke within public places, thus ensuring that the right of good health is not denied to those who have to work in public establishments. I really am not quite sure what is so wrong with that!

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It's not generally socially acceptable to embezzle taxpayers' money either.
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Fat fraud. Should have known he would have this view. He doesn't mind stealing tax payers cash, so why would their freedoms be any different.
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That's not a libertarian standpoint.

I can't stand smoking, but I don't think the ban should extend to private members' clubs or pubs that can offer a choice of smoking/non-smoking areas. There should be smoking and non-smoking pubs - no doubt someone will proclaim a human right to drink in every pub. I think choice is what is required.

Oddly, despite all the b@ll@cks talked by the anti-smoking brigade, a lot of bar staff smoke and wouldn't object to working in a smoky environment. Bar work is not exclusive to a handful of locations and so those who don't want to work in smoking pubs could work in non-smoking pubs.

The truth is that the MPs who banned smoking in public places did not ban it in the Palace of Westminster and they can still smoke in their own bars. If it's unhealthy for me it is unhealthy for the bar staff in the Houses of Parliament. I cannot stomach the hypocrisy.

It's like Blair going on about global warming and then jetting to meetings he could observe over the Internet.

When all MPs stop smoking and all bars in the Houses of Parliament are off limits to smokers I'll believe them.

It's like global warming - when the powers that be use public transport and stop flying around the world I'll believe them.
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It won't matter soon as all the pubs will be gone. Another chunk of British life abolished.
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This doesn't appear to be part of anything... it is just a lone article against smokers. I assumed that it was part of a wider debate.

Is this really about having a pop at Farage... a heavy smoker... and positioning him as 'out of touch and out of date'?
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Just looked at his website. He certainly looks like he's enjoying his role out there. Nice work if you can get it.
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Perhaps Farage should come back and say pies should be banned. After all, obese people cost the NHS money right?

Wrong. Banning things like this is wrong. Wise has just outted himself as a bitter fascist loser. Roll on 2009 when he can be booted out and remove the stench of selfish corruption.
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Now that he is finished politically due to his own recklessness, he is cocking a thumb at UKIP, which (whether one agrees or not - I do agree) has positioned itself as supporting the rights of smokers.
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What a load of old hog wash, does this prat live in the real world, where are all these people flouting the smoking ban? where is this insurmountable evidence that proves passive smoking is dangerous?

And is he that stupid he doesn't even know what smokers are saying its not about smoking in public places its about private establishments having the right to run there business how they see fit.

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I must say I find it surprising but most of all disappointing when I hear smokers protest about the smoking ban (and often deliberately flout it) with the arguments ‘well what about my human rights: it is just the ‘nanny state’ gone mad’ and ‘there is nothing wrong with smoking, we’ve been doing it for centuries’. I absolutely agree that to smoke or not to smoke is a personal choice: however, I am not sure I am in agreement with the human rights argument, or that there is nothing wrong with smoking! Medical evidence strongly suggests otherwise: however, if a person chooses to smoke well then that is their choice and it is their decision not to heed the warnings (not least to their wallets).

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