Tory rebel Bob Spink becomes Ukip's first MP !!!!

kernow · 22-04-2008, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UKIPSW

Brilliant news.

His voting record looks excellent. Just disappointing that he supported/supports the illegal war in Iraq. I do hope he won't vote with Government if they get any silly ideas about Iran.

I can't blame him for supporting the war in Iraq, so did I! I stupidly believed the Government's claims of WMD! I think senior management of both the Labour and Tory parties lied to their own MPs about WMD. I don't think it was the case that Labour conned the Tories in backing them!

arden forester · 22-04-2008, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kernow

I can't blame him for supporting the war in Iraq, so did I! I stupidly believed the Government's claims of WMD! I think senior management of both the Labour and Tory parties lied to their own MPs about WMD. I don't think it was the case that Labour conned the Tories in backing them!

Refreshing honesty, kernow. A good example to some others on this forum.

Anthony Butcher · 22-04-2008, 04:47 PM

Farage says first MP brings his party credibility

Quote:

The leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party has welcomed its first MP as “articulate, quite controversial and a bit of a character”.

Bob Spink, the MP for Castle Point in Essex, defected from the Conservatives to join UKIP this week.

Party leader Nigel Farage, a Euro-MP from Downe, near Bromley, said he hoped Mr Spink would give the party more credibility on domestic issues such as health and education.

He said: “He has joined us because he became increasingly hacked off with the Conservative Party on a variety of issues, from the completely dishonest position it has taken on the European constitution to its policies on immigration – the whole gamut.”

Mr Farage said that Mr Spink was one of the most hardworking MPs in Westminster and said he would help UKIP to be viewed as a “broad-based party”.

He said the party was standing 500 candidates in the forthcoming local elections across the UK in what he described as a “moderate sized effort”, but was more focused on the next European and general elections.

Mr Farage added that he had not yet decided if he will stand as a parliamentary candidate in the next general election, but acknowledged it was “a situation I’ve got to answer pretty soon”.

Danny · 22-04-2008, 05:04 PM

This is excellent news.And its good that all shades of the Anti EU movement have posted here.I am also delighted that its got up Blue Bloods nose(BNP)Who seems the only one who is hacked off about it.

Mikeuk · 22-04-2008, 05:05 PM

Quote:

The leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party has welcomed its first MP as “articulate, quite controversial and a bit of a character”.

I wouldn't have used that phrase.

It's the sort of language obituary editors use when they are struggling to say something good about the deceased.

How about 'man of principle...dynamic...fearless...open-minded...generous to a fault'

...and that's just me I'm talking about.

Henry IX · 22-04-2008, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

For starters, the party leadership should be allocating a decent budget and rallying troops to start an immediete and sustained campaign to make sure Spink is kept in his seat.

... Now follow it up with a stategy to make full use of this and make sure he has the BEST chance of winning at the next GE.

Do you think it should definitely be Castle Point? If more of the same type of allegations emerge, all the more reason to try and make a clean start... if so, where would be the ideal seat to in which to parachute him?

In fact, on a more general note, which do you think is the strongest area for UKIP at the next GE?

blueblood1920 · 22-04-2008, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP

I can't see how you can say this is not bad news for the BNP. Obviously this is going to place the BNP's predicted victories in the GLA's very much in the shade. Not that these were particularly likely to impress anyone other than the pathetically grateful members of the BNP and their hysterical detractors in the UAF. Certainly not the members of UKIP who won two GLA seats last time, five years ago. Indeed if the BNP do manage two seats they are most likely to replace the UKIP rebels, one London, and therefore will not have inflicted any additional damage on the Establishment. The BNP haven't made any advance, they have simply walked through a hole punched in the opposition line by UKIP. The only reason the BNP have any chance at all is the mess UKIP have made of their breakthroughs and its inability to face up to the immigration crisis in a meaningful way.

The BNP's disingenuous reaction to UKIP's achievement is totemic of the crude spin it places on almost every subject. Only a fool would believe that the BNP would not have given Lee Barn's balls for Spinks' name on a membership card. And yet they are claiming it as some sort of betrayal of the electorate! The contempt in which the BNP hold the electorate and most of all its own membership is one of the main reasons their wildest dream is winning 3 seats of Epping Council as major cities are cleared of indigenous Britons.

Spink might lose his seat next time out. However there is no guaterntee of this, as has already been noted. In addition to Galloway Richard Taylor in Kidderminster held his independent seat last time out. Martin Bell also demonstarted that good local campaign can get results. Small Parties control significant numbers of constituencies in the "Celtic" nations. The idea that this it is impossiblt to win Westminsters seats because of FPTP has been pedled by the incompant leadership of conservative/nationalist groups for the last three decades rather than go to the trouble of developing attractive policy platforms and adopting proffessional standards. Lets all pray that Spink can can refute this damaging defeatest theory for the good of us all.

PS congratulations UKIP and well done Mr Spink.

Brummie76

PS If the BNP had any researchers they would be working full time on how to extract more cash for Griffin and identifying any members with talent and judgement so they can be "proscribed" before they cause Collet and his pals any trouble.

Why is this bad for the BNP? The media will forget about this after a couple of days and will focus on the elections at hand. If UKIP falls back in London and fails to gain any GLA members that is not good for them at all, especially if the BNP manages to gain members. Whether UKIP made the gains or not last time is irrelevent, they probably have little influence on this election if any at all especially not on the BNP vote.

They must of been popular MP's, from what I am reading about spink is that he has a few things coming out which may see his former voters vote against him. A persons character does in some places have a lot of influence, a good example is probably Steve Radford in Liverpool although I cant stand the man.
The BNP no longer say its impossible for them to win seats, they are actually getting ready to win seats at the next elections. Although I will agree in the past Nationalist parties have been too negative.

Also how does UKIP stand a chance to retain the seat if they can only stand one council candidate in the area? UKIP cant rely on this mans name recognition to win them the seat, especially if some not so nice things are coming out about this man.

I will admit I would of prefered BNP to get an MP first, we still can get the first ELECTED MP. However would I want spink? The answer is probably not, with the BNP's stance on the activities of certain MP's taking in this man would in my opinion be hypocritical.

Ea of Dune · 22-04-2008, 05:35 PM

Congrats to UKIP on this, and a winning point for the Eurosceptic movement.

Ideally we should see the the anti-EU parties drawing up an agreeent not to stand against each other. This could be so beneficial on so many levels.
If the BNP are going to stand against the UKIP MP they are idiots and I'd encourage all English nats to support UKIP in this ward to prevent the BNP splitting the vote and letting Labour or the Tories back in.

Ea of dune

blueblood1920 · 22-04-2008, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

This is excellent news.And its good that all shades of the Anti EU movement have posted here.I am also delighted that its got up Blue Bloods nose(BNP)Who seems the only one who is hacked off about it.

I am not really that bothered, it could actually be beneficial in my opinion. I was expecting such a thing for the state safety valve to keep them going untill the Euros which could see the final nails hammered into UKIP's coffin.
UKIP will have to contend with a BNP unit which is currently stronger than UKIP in this area which is not what UKIP needs.

blueblood1920 · 22-04-2008, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ea of Dune

Congrats to UKIP on this, and a winning point for the Eurosceptic movement.

Ideally we should see the the anti-EU parties drawing up an agreeent not to stand against each other. This could be so beneficial on so many levels.
If the BNP are going to stand against the UKIP MP they are idiots and I'd encourage all English nats to support UKIP in this ward to prevent the BNP splitting the vote and letting Labour or the Tories back in.

Ea of dune

UKIP would never do a deal with us anyway, so talk is pointless and the BNP is not going to back down just because UKIP decide that they may want to talk now to save their own arses. UKIP are now seen as being in the way of the BNP, the sooner they are out of the way the better.

22-04-2008, 05:35 PM	#88 (permalink)
Ea of Dune Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hell Posts: 1,010	UKIP Congrats to UKIP on this, and a winning point for the Eurosceptic movement. Ideally we should see the the anti-EU parties drawing up an agreeent not to stand against each other. This could be so beneficial on so many levels. If the BNP are going to stand against the UKIP MP they are idiots and I'd encourage all English nats to support UKIP in this ward to prevent the BNP splitting the vote and letting Labour or the Tories back in. Ea of dune

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

22-04-2008, 05:04 PM	#84 (permalink)
Danny Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 561	This is excellent news.And its good that all shades of the Anti EU movement have posted here.I am also delighted that its got up Blue Bloods nose(BNP)Who seems the only one who is hacked off about it.