B.A.Ware

I don't know who is hiding under the name mrabody but the last time i have seen such abuse like this it was aimed at me by someone who is employed by the EU and someone who is very close to Nigel, if this is the same person i am very disappointed that they haven't matured enough to argue the facts and have to turn to gross insults.
As a moderator i would normally remove this disgracefully language but i think leaving it on display shows exactly the mindset of mrabody and people can therefore make a judgment of of his or her character

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Petrina

Yes ,I think that for once you are wise to leave it here for public view ,it is a disgusting posting from a disgusting person .

mrabody

I an not employed by the EU and I am definitely not close to Nigel having met him only once. Was I insulting. Yes. I fully intended to be, because frankly a bunch of grown men acting like 8 year olds, whinging about who said what when, telling tales about each other, flinging accusations back and forth, is really annyoying and a completely unedifying spectacle. This goes on and on and on, between people who are supposed to be on the same side.

I've had some rather vicious arguments with Anthony Butcher in the past but I've come to like and respect him and wish he would rejoin UKIP. I've never met either Mark Croucher and Douglas Denny and whilst I'm glad they are in the party I really wish they would learn to be magnanimous towards others, and try build a bigger tent rather than attacking others in an intemperate and embarrassing manner. As for Charlie Endell, well I've said all that needed to be said. If you don't like it, ban me. After all it certainly won't raise the tone of debate in this forum.

Anthony Butcher

As I said above, it is awful. But the problem is that certain individuals don't see us all as being on the same side. See the thread last week on the Lechlade group where people trying to organise positive projects and events are labelled as "troublemakers", "usual suspects" etc. I am sure that both 'sides' are to blame to some extent, but to carry on the playground analogy, I know who started it!

Nor is any of it ancient history. Richard Suchorzewski left the party because NF refused to investigate or withdraw accusations by his staff that RS was a BNP infiltrator. People seem to forget that he issued a positive message when NF was elected. Yet last week Douglas Denny claimed that RS had left in a hissy fit. Since RS has apparently now rejoined the party and is already being attacked, all of those issues are now immediately relevant again.

I can't see a solution to this until members and senior officials start treating each other with some respect and patience. Even you, Mrabody, have just exacerbated the problem by insulting Charlie Endell. Odds on, the two of you will be at each others' throats from now on, in a downward spiral.

Ideally of course, the example would come from the top but, as discussed recently, Farage is as guilty as anyone of creating disharmony. Let's hope that someone is finally promoted to a position in UKIP who can lead the party into a new era of civility.

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Truthwillout

Oh yes. Utterly disgusting. Miss No Body should be punished with six of the best from Mr End All with Mr Bare supervising.

B.A.Ware

And the following statement brings what to the debate.
If you are so grow up and sensibly why not stop hiding behind your pseudonym and tell us exactly who you are or have you got something to hide?

Regards Brendan Padmore.

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Hartlepool

I said at the time and I say it again now,the Lechlade Group should have continued even if it only met quarterly,it needs to be resurected by holding a meeting on what is or isn't going on within the party.

The same people who attacked the LG back then are still doing so to this day,attacking any and all members who have anything to say that is not under their strict control.

We need an honest focusing group that will be respected by party members and open to them all as well,our potential is and always will be strangled by the long term incumbent controllers at the top of UKIP.

That's the way I've seen it for a long time now and we need to be out there and in their faces instead of allowing the situation to continue to nosedive into the dirt because of a few who see themselves as being the elite of UKIP and the anti EU Movement.

Time to speak out,clearly and loudly,what have we got to lose?

Let them suspend or bar everyone for their efforts over the years,it certainly sounds like something they might do,if faced with honest and open questions regarding the lack of momentum in the UK by the party.

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mrabody

You are a bright person. I've left plenty of clues in my posts for those who want to see.

Anthony Butcher

Many of the main people have left the party though; Linda Guest, Jan Guest, Matt Davies, Me, C_Steam, UKIPMan, John Page. Biscuitman, the chairman of Lechalde, has taken a back seat.

Of the main characters who are left, Alex McKee is still around, B.A.Ware is still active and Del is teetering on the edge of being booted off the NEC. Aardvark and Chikrodah still seem keen enough. Roger Gough and Michael Hillier are around, but don't make much of an appearance.

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mrabody

Nah, Charlie and I won't be at each other's throats. Well, he might be at mine, but I've said what I thought and won't say any more. If I was harsh and rude it is because I don't think he has anything useful to contribute. I've had a go at Geoffrey Collier recently and having said what I thought he needed to hear won't bother him again.

I'm not in either camp, but only on the side of fed up UKIP activists who would like you all to kiss and make up, or barring that shut up, or if that proves impossible, to quietly expire and go to meet thy maker.