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Old 01-04-2008, 09:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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...who would make a credible leader for UKIP?
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Quite. There's just no-one waiting in the wings capable of leading this dishevelled, undisciplined rabble.
I suspect Gerard Batten would make a good leader but he has many of the same issues as Nigel - he's an MEP, based in London and Brussels, etc.
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Lisa Duffy. She got more votes than Nigel.
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Someone who's not an MEP and based full time in the UK!.
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Or if this great man was not interested then I think Gerard would be a great option. However I still feel Nigel is the best
choice as leader. He has that charisma, and when geared for battle can take the opposition to the cleaners.

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.................undisciplined...............
That one word sums it up exactly.

The question that no-one has ever answered is how do you impose discipline on a UKIP Member let alone how do you discipline a UKIP MEP?

Do what you are told or the Party will.......errr......ask you again, nicely, please!

Ashley Mote and Killroy Silk have both occupied UKIP Seats in the European Parliament since 2004 and what has UKIP done? Nothing! Because it hasn't got the power to do anything. The Party dosen't even hold the power of de-selecting individuals as Candidates, that rests with the membership at local and regional level, a sure fire way of ensuring local cliques are more influential than the party leadership. You cannot impose discipline without sanctions and UKIP dosen't have any.

Take MEP's staff for example, all employed on a personal basis by individual MEP's. The Party has no control of them and they are not co-ordinated in any meaningful way. Labour and Conservatives (and to lesser extent Lib-Dems, but only because they have fewer seats) control key members of staff by getting them safe seats in the House of Commons. This enables them to work full time for the Party and employ lots of staff all on the public purse. In the lib/lab/con all the Regional Organisers for example are MP's in safe seats. So that is how the lib/lab/con enforce discipline, step out of line and your cozy little job for life is gone. The Lib/Lab/Con central machine retains final veto over who is the MP (and MEP) Candidate so the loyalty (and obedience) is to the centre. UKIP is, and always will be undisciplined because it is, and sems to intend to remain, a loose conferderation of regional kingdoms rather than a united nation under one leader.
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...who would make a credible leader for UKIP?
Lord Pearson of Rannoch would be a very credible temporary leader for UKIP (temporary because I'm sure he would be exceptionally reluctant to take on the role under any circumstances). I hope/think if he did become leader he would be a unifying force for the party and I'm sure he has the natural ability to sort out a lot (though perhaps not all) of the cr*p that is so apparent.

If he did become leader that would also at least solve the constant moan about the leader/s spending so much of their time in Brussels.
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The effect of selecting NF as leader was to lose one party manager, for, as far as I can see, NF has not stopped doing anything he did before - he has just taken on additional responsibilities and together they are too much for one person. Also by giving the chairmanship to JW - another busy MEP has taken over from Petrina who did not have these additional responsibilities - a further reduction in party management.

It seems to me that UKIP's clear decline is rooted in an overloaded management who do not have time to resolve an ever increasing list of problems - which has lead to an ever increasing level of frustration amongst members who so desperately want the party to fulfil its purpose.

The obvious solution is to appoint a UK based manager who is delegated the task of building the party domestically - with the full authority that this requires. Gerard Batten would appear to be the best choice - I don't recall anyone making a serious criticism of him, he is clearly very popular - he has an easy way about him which is necessary for a role which is to get people who are giving their time for free to work together. However he is also an MEP.

I am afraid that NF would not do well as the party leader in the UK - he is too aggressive - an invaluable quality for a leader in the EU parliament, but a quality that needs to be used with restraint when dealing with unpaid volunteers. He has plenty of energy, but is an attack dog - a quality which is needed only occasionally outside of the Parliament.

Isn't there some way that GB's and DCB's roles could be reversed - for this seems to be a simple and effective solution to the problem. DCB must be getting paid from party funds, surely there is some way of finding enough cash for GB so that DCB could replace him as an MEP.
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