What really motivates Lisa Duffy

Anthony Butcher · 31-03-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Star

Anthony. I do not like favouritism or cronyism.

Nor do I

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Originally Posted by Star

Mr Farage is determined to see her as an MEP. He will do whatever it takes. Don't members realise that all it will take from him is a word in the right ear to ensure that she gets through to the final selection process. He can also block other potential candidates by briefing against them. One potential candidate in the East has already been the victim of such briefings. Members in this party upset Farage at their peril! That is why Bannerman, Duffy and Reeves do as they are told. If they dared to show any sign of independence Farage would make sure they were blocked.

But if he was supporting the candidates you liked, would you not be arguing the opposite? Campaigning for or against candidates is fine, I believe. The problem only arises when people step over the line into smear campaigns and start spreading inventions. I have been the victim of malevolent whispering campaigns in UKIP, and so have many others; these things do happen (and I presume they happen in all parties).

If this candidate you say has been briefed against has been unfairly maligned, then prove it - give precise details of who said what and when.

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Originally Posted by Star

I want to see genuine people with real talent rise in this party. I don't want yes men and yes women who only want to become MEPs in order to increase the size of their egos and bank balance.

I think that you are arguing against the wrong thing here. The problem isn't a party leader promoting certain candidates, the problem is that you have a leader using selection criteria you don't approve of (i.e. what you see as cronyism). The only way to fix that is to get yourself a new party leader I suspect.

tamashi · 31-03-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

Should MEP selection be by local members voting on it? Is that really the best way to pick someone for the job? I am not convinced.

I have to agree with Anthony here. Many of UKIP's problems are caused by a parochial membership and MEPs who protect their own little kingdoms against all comers. In my opinion UKIP should produce its MEP list NATIONALLY and then who is allocated to which list is a decision for the Party Political leadership. I know of at least two, possibly three hard working, dedicated UKIP Members who will never be MEPs in a million years because they were not born in the right region. Similarly individuals who I consider to be potential disasters as MEPs have a very good chance of getting elected because they live in the right part of the country. UKIP's next MEPs need to be much less individualistic amd more team players. UKIP isn't a national party at the momment, its a loose coalition of regional parties under a common banner but co-operating only as far as it suits individual regions to do so. This is why attempts at setting up a national structure under Geofrey Kingscott failed because he didn't have authority over staff who work for (ie are paid by) individual MEPs.

Michael Heaver · 31-03-2008, 07:49 PM

Below is an official statement from Young Independence Co-ordinator Lisa Duffy. Lisa will not be replying further on this forum. If you would like to speak to Lisa further her contact details are in the statement.

---

Getting the Facts Correct.

I would like to make a statement to contradict the vicious comments from the alias STAR.
My motivation for working with the Young Independence group is to ensure we have a Party in the future, I believe there are thousands of Young people with the same principles and thought process as ours we just need to get active and speak to them and give them a reason to join us. I approached the NEC with a business plan of how I would like to progress the Young Independence section of the Party forward, at the interview I had with the NEC members it was Nigel Farage and John Whittaker that were the most challenging in whether the job could be delivered, hence why I am in the role for 12 months to see what I can deliver with the group. The one thing I will definitely deliver will be transparency so please feel free to email me any time for updates on what we are achieving on youngindependence@ukip.org.
The YI council and myself are currently working on the packs for the freshers fairs and looking at which Universities we will be targeting.
Currently we are trailing an 18th Birthday card scheme which branches can become involved in if they wish.
With the help of Jonathan Arnott we have just designed and printed our first leaflet focusing on education and there are two more being developed on the 3rd World and the Gendarmerie force.
Two of our council members have completed our first monthly newsletter which will be emailed out virally to all members and supporters shortly if you would like a hard copy please let me know.
Young Independence has attended Political awareness days, regional conferences and rallies where we have been made to feel very welcome and had a big impact on members coming on board and donations being sent in.
Our web site is currently being updated now we can afford to run it as it has a quarterly cost of £352.00 which we will have to raise, it was discussed at our council meeting and decided this is the correct decision at present.
We will not be starting to run with hundreds of ideas as it would be easy to do but we are ensuring that every thing we do is of a high standard and consistant.
Public speaking- Every time we speak in public it enables us to get better, it hasn’t stopped people who have already heard me inviting myself and YI members to new events and conferences but again feel free to contact me with how you think I can improve none of us are above learning new skills.
MEP- I have not made a decision one way or the other about the Euro elections and have never been approached by Nigel or any other MEP regarding standing. I will let you know when I have.
Resignations- Only one member has resigned and he was the only paid member of YI but did this for his own personal reasons. Currently none of the YI members, including myself are funded by the Party and No expenses are claimed back either.
STAR- please feel free to contact me with any of your concerns rather than voicing some very unjust opinions on the forum, I can be contacted as you are aware on 07890110225.

For the record my history with the Party started in 2004, I stood in the General election against Hazel Blears IN 2005, I stood in the 2006 and 2007 local elections in Manchester and will be standing in the local elections this year and in the General election when it is called I was also the Chairman of the Northwest.
I am not looking for a paid job within the Party, I have a well paid job of my own.
What I am all about is achieving results to make our Party successful please judge me on that and not on poorly researched gossip.

Many thanks
Lisa

charlie endell · 31-03-2008, 08:00 PM

There have been a number of 'Young UKIP' type projects over the years. They all failed. If you need me to explain why, then you don't understand contemporary politics.

Ironically, that other fat bottomed girl who thought she made the rocking world go around, Annabelle Fuller, was behind the last attempt at getting this idea off the ground. (Thats a quote from a Queen song, for the benefit of our older or squarer readers).

I suspect Duffy is being lined up for the same treatment as the girl in the silly shoes.

C_steam · 31-03-2008, 08:04 PM

good response by LD, I think.

BASILDON BOY · 31-03-2008, 08:04 PM

Perhaps these 'fat bottomed' females are actually GREEN LIZARDS and part of the COMMON PURPOSE conspiracy?

They are infiltrating UKIP?

The 'fat bottoms' actually being secret compartments for their long reptilian tails?

xhenry · 31-03-2008, 08:18 PM

Well I'm a bit out of touch up here in South Tyneside - but Lisa Duffy's short piece in the "why vote for me for the NEC blurb" s stood out massively as being a cert for my vote - Why you might ask can such a short piece be so compelling ? Well I'll tell you exactly why - it was just the fact that she just came across as NORMAL !!! rather than a lot of the obsessives verging on the unhinged that are in the party. Remember to get anywhere we need to convince the unconvinced not indulge the diehards.

Alex McKee · 31-03-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie endell

Annabelle Fuller, was behind the last attempt at getting this idea off the ground. .

No she wasn't. The last effort was by Delroy Young. The one before that was by myself and Katy Davies, not AF. The one before that was by myself and Jan Guest. The one before that was by a chap in Bristol Uni (please forgive me, I do not recall his name). The one prior to that was by Nikki Sinclair.

Anthony Butcher · 31-03-2008, 09:22 PM

Good response from Lisa Duffy there. Apart from needlessly using the word 'vicious', I think that it is a great example of how to answer critics in a rational and calm manner. We could all learn a little from that I think

harryaldridge · 31-03-2008, 09:28 PM

Well said Lisa. I doubt it will shut up the paranoid conspiracy freaks who inhabit this forum, though!

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BASILDON BOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: N'Djamena, Chad Posts: 1,728	Perhaps these 'fat bottomed' females are actually GREEN LIZARDS and part of the COMMON PURPOSE conspiracy? They are infiltrating UKIP? The 'fat bottoms' actually being secret compartments for their long reptilian tails? __________________ Mike Nattrass MEP is HOT HOT HOT!!!

31-03-2008, 09:22 PM	#39 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,731 Party: None	Good response from Lisa Duffy there. Apart from needlessly using the word 'vicious', I think that it is a great example of how to answer critics in a rational and calm manner. We could all learn a little from that I think __________________ If you care about what's in your food and where it comes from, then get it labelled! Label My Food - http://www.labelmyfood.org.uk

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harryaldridge Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Sussex Posts: 1,911	Well said Lisa. I doubt it will shut up the paranoid conspiracy freaks who inhabit this forum, though! __________________ http://vindicovindico.blogspot.com Vote Harry Aldridge (PPC and MEP)

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31-03-2008, 07:49 PM	#33 (permalink)
Michael Heaver Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 393 Party: UKIP	Below is an official statement from Young Independence Co-ordinator Lisa Duffy. Lisa will not be replying further on this forum. If you would like to speak to Lisa further her contact details are in the statement. --- Getting the Facts Correct. I would like to make a statement to contradict the vicious comments from the alias STAR. My motivation for working with the Young Independence group is to ensure we have a Party in the future, I believe there are thousands of Young people with the same principles and thought process as ours we just need to get active and speak to them and give them a reason to join us. I approached the NEC with a business plan of how I would like to progress the Young Independence section of the Party forward, at the interview I had with the NEC members it was Nigel Farage and John Whittaker that were the most challenging in whether the job could be delivered, hence why I am in the role for 12 months to see what I can deliver with the group. The one thing I will definitely deliver will be transparency so please feel free to email me any time for updates on what we are achieving on youngindependence@ukip.org. The YI council and myself are currently working on the packs for the freshers fairs and looking at which Universities we will be targeting. Currently we are trailing an 18th Birthday card scheme which branches can become involved in if they wish. With the help of Jonathan Arnott we have just designed and printed our first leaflet focusing on education and there are two more being developed on the 3rd World and the Gendarmerie force. Two of our council members have completed our first monthly newsletter which will be emailed out virally to all members and supporters shortly if you would like a hard copy please let me know. Young Independence has attended Political awareness days, regional conferences and rallies where we have been made to feel very welcome and had a big impact on members coming on board and donations being sent in. Our web site is currently being updated now we can afford to run it as it has a quarterly cost of £352.00 which we will have to raise, it was discussed at our council meeting and decided this is the correct decision at present. We will not be starting to run with hundreds of ideas as it would be easy to do but we are ensuring that every thing we do is of a high standard and consistant. Public speaking- Every time we speak in public it enables us to get better, it hasn’t stopped people who have already heard me inviting myself and YI members to new events and conferences but again feel free to contact me with how you think I can improve none of us are above learning new skills. MEP- I have not made a decision one way or the other about the Euro elections and have never been approached by Nigel or any other MEP regarding standing. I will let you know when I have. Resignations- Only one member has resigned and he was the only paid member of YI but did this for his own personal reasons. Currently none of the YI members, including myself are funded by the Party and No expenses are claimed back either. STAR- please feel free to contact me with any of your concerns rather than voicing some very unjust opinions on the forum, I can be contacted as you are aware on 07890110225. For the record my history with the Party started in 2004, I stood in the General election against Hazel Blears IN 2005, I stood in the 2006 and 2007 local elections in Manchester and will be standing in the local elections this year and in the General election when it is called I was also the Chairman of the Northwest. I am not looking for a paid job within the Party, I have a well paid job of my own. What I am all about is achieving results to make our Party successful please judge me on that and not on poorly researched gossip. Many thanks Lisa

31-03-2008, 08:00 PM	#34 (permalink)
charlie endell Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 249	There have been a number of 'Young UKIP' type projects over the years. They all failed. If you need me to explain why, then you don't understand contemporary politics. Ironically, that other fat bottomed girl who thought she made the rocking world go around, Annabelle Fuller, was behind the last attempt at getting this idea off the ground. (Thats a quote from a Queen song, for the benefit of our older or squarer readers). I suspect Duffy is being lined up for the same treatment as the girl in the silly shoes.

31-03-2008, 08:18 PM	#37 (permalink)
xhenry Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South Shields Posts: 34	Well I'm a bit out of touch up here in South Tyneside - but Lisa Duffy's short piece in the "why vote for me for the NEC blurb" s stood out massively as being a cert for my vote - Why you might ask can such a short piece be so compelling ? Well I'll tell you exactly why - it was just the fact that she just came across as NORMAL !!! rather than a lot of the obsessives verging on the unhinged that are in the party. Remember to get anywhere we need to convince the unconvinced not indulge the diehards.