So, we left it to the Tories.

charlie endell · 05-03-2008, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier

(1)We were told by NF that we would concentrate our efforts on the Irish referendum.

UKIP are not welcome in the Irish referendum campaign, that has been made clear now.

So NF called it completely wrong on every aspect of this.

I read yesterday that up to 90% want a referendum. They would all be lining up behind UKIP now if we had been visible.

Nice one, Mr 0%.

Geoffrey Collier · 05-03-2008, 07:48 PM

Alteclansing: Providing that you are only STARTING to wish that you hadn't voted for me, there still remains hope for you. We should have had a strategy formulated a year ago, for all our supporters, irrespective of former political allegiance, to visit their own MP with their message. I wouldn't have minded from whom we got the necessary extra votes. Am I to assume that this evenings result is more acceptable to you, than victory resulting from other means? Take that reasoning to its logical conclusion; do you want to leave Europe, but only if your favourite party can bring it about? Most of us say, victory at all costs: far better than defeat on the terms of others.

Britannist · 05-03-2008, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie endell

UKIP are not welcome in the Irish referendum campaign, that has been made clear now.

Charlie: do you have a source/link to verify the above claim please?

Westcountryman · 05-03-2008, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier

Alteclansing: Providing that you are only STARTING to wish that you hadn't voted for me, there still remains hope for you. We should have had a strategy formulated a year ago, for all our supporters, irrespective of former political allegiance, to visit their own MP with their message. I wouldn't have minded from whom we got the necessary extra votes. Am I to assume that this evenings result is more acceptable to you, than victory resulting from other means? Take that reasoning to its logical conclusion; do you want to leave Europe, but only if your favourite party can bring it about? Most of us say, victory at all costs: far better than defeat on the terms of others.

Some of us constantly badgered our MPs, not that it did any good.

steve fowler · 05-03-2008, 08:01 PM

I sent my labour MP Mike O'Brien a few emails and letters last year about wanting a referemdum on the EU treaty he has given me the same backstabing answer everytime-NO.

mkpdavies · 05-03-2008, 08:04 PM

I am afraid that writing to your MP is a total waste of time, 99% of the time.

They will heartely agree with you if they already are of the same opinion. Otherwise they will fob you off. They have no intention of "representing" their constituents. There are only a few that care enough to pay attention, the rest will just vote on vague promises and MSM coverage at the elections.

brad12jy · 05-03-2008, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier

Alteclansing: Providing that you are only STARTING to wish that you hadn't voted for me, there still remains hope for you. We should have had a strategy formulated a year ago, for all our supporters, irrespective of former political allegiance, to visit their own MP with their message. I wouldn't have minded from whom we got the necessary extra votes. Am I to assume that this evenings result is more acceptable to you, than victory resulting from other means? Take that reasoning to its logical conclusion; do you want to leave Europe, but only if your favourite party can bring it about? Most of us say, victory at all costs: far better than defeat on the terms of others.

i wrote to my mp three times thankyou. of course i want to leave the eu

Geoffrey Collier · 05-03-2008, 08:10 PM

To-morrow we will see who exactly voted. The N.I. MPs' vote should be interesting. Without wishing to be ungenerous to any individual, those 32 votes could have been achieved with a different policy. Any opposition party will have fewer votes than the government. That is why they are in opposition. The nationalists' votes, really, should have been with us. Fear not, we will win; there is still a long way to go.

fotley · 05-03-2008, 08:33 PM

Birds Of A Feather - Hague, Curry, Gummer, Clarke,Taylor , James Elles MEP,

Europhile Roll Call

Conservaive Group For Europe
Who we are | Conservative Group for Europe

President Rt Hon Kenneth Clarke
Vice presidents
Rt Hon David Curry MP, James Elles MEP, Dr Caroline Jackson MEP

Chairman
Ian Taylor MBE MP (bought Tony Blair a bottle of bubbly back in 2004 - wanted Lab to hold a referendum on the Euro)
Deputy Chairman
Robert Moreland
Vice Chairmen
Richard Balfe
Peter Dawson
Hon Secretary
Lindsay Kirkby
Hon Treasurer
Claude Kauffmann

National Organiser: Dana Peters

Patrons:
Rt Hon Sir John Major KG CH,
Rt Hon Lady Thatcher of Kesteven OM FRS
Rt Hon Lord Carrington KG CH KCMG MC
Rt Hon William Hague MP <----------------------------------
Rt Hon Lord Howe of Aberavon CH QC
Rt Hon Lord Hunt of Wirral MBE
Rt Hon Lord Hurd of Westwell CH CBE
Rt Hon Lord Kingsland TD QC
Lord Plumb of Coleshill DL
Tom Spencer
Rt Hon John Gummer MP
Rt Hon Lord Brittan of Spennithorne QC,
Rt Hon Lord Heseltine of Thenford CH
Rt Hon Lord Patten of Barnes CH
Timothy Kirkhope MEP

BASILDON BOY · 05-03-2008, 08:46 PM

Does anybody have a list of those MPs who voted for and against?

05-03-2008, 08:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
steve fowler Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 1,201 Party: UKIP	I sent my labour MP Mike O'Brien a few emails and letters last year about wanting a referemdum on the EU treaty he has given me the same backstabing answer everytime-NO. __________________ RULE BRITANNIA BRITANNIA RULES THE WAVES, BRITONS NEVER EVER SHALL BE SLAVE'S. Never give in - never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. Winston Churchill. When Labour won the 1997 General Election, Enoch Powell told his wife that the electorate had voted to break up the United Kingdom.

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I am afraid that writing to your MP is a total waste of time, 99% of the time. They will heartely agree with you if they already are of the same opinion. Otherwise they will fob you off. They have no intention of "representing" their constituents. There are only a few that care enough to pay attention, the rest will just vote on vague promises and MSM coverage at the elections. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

05-03-2008, 08:33 PM	#19 (permalink)
fotley Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 48	Don't Be Fooled By Hague Birds Of A Feather - Hague, Curry, Gummer, Clarke,Taylor , James Elles MEP, Europhile Roll Call Conservaive Group For Europe Who we are \| Conservative Group for Europe President Rt Hon Kenneth Clarke Vice presidents Rt Hon David Curry MP, James Elles MEP, Dr Caroline Jackson MEP Chairman Ian Taylor MBE MP (bought Tony Blair a bottle of bubbly back in 2004 - wanted Lab to hold a referendum on the Euro) Deputy Chairman Robert Moreland Vice Chairmen Richard Balfe Peter Dawson Hon Secretary Lindsay Kirkby Hon Treasurer Claude Kauffmann National Organiser: Dana Peters Patrons: Rt Hon Sir John Major KG CH, Rt Hon Lady Thatcher of Kesteven OM FRS Rt Hon Lord Carrington KG CH KCMG MC Rt Hon William Hague MP <---------------------------------- Rt Hon Lord Howe of Aberavon CH QC Rt Hon Lord Hunt of Wirral MBE Rt Hon Lord Hurd of Westwell CH CBE Rt Hon Lord Kingsland TD QC Lord Plumb of Coleshill DL Tom Spencer Rt Hon John Gummer MP Rt Hon Lord Brittan of Spennithorne QC, Rt Hon Lord Heseltine of Thenford CH Rt Hon Lord Patten of Barnes CH Timothy Kirkhope MEP Last edited by fotley; 05-03-2008 at 08:36 PM. Reason: typo

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05-03-2008, 07:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,006	Alteclansing: Providing that you are only STARTING to wish that you hadn't voted for me, there still remains hope for you. We should have had a strategy formulated a year ago, for all our supporters, irrespective of former political allegiance, to visit their own MP with their message. I wouldn't have minded from whom we got the necessary extra votes. Am I to assume that this evenings result is more acceptable to you, than victory resulting from other means? Take that reasoning to its logical conclusion; do you want to leave Europe, but only if your favourite party can bring it about? Most of us say, victory at all costs: far better than defeat on the terms of others.

05-03-2008, 08:10 PM	#18 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,006	To-morrow we will see who exactly voted. The N.I. MPs' vote should be interesting. Without wishing to be ungenerous to any individual, those 32 votes could have been achieved with a different policy. Any opposition party will have fewer votes than the government. That is why they are in opposition. The nationalists' votes, really, should have been with us. Fear not, we will win; there is still a long way to go.

05-03-2008, 08:46 PM	#20 (permalink)
BASILDON BOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: N'Djamena, Chad Posts: 1,756	Does anybody have a list of those MPs who voted for and against?