Britannist

True: but all the europhiles in the Labour/Conservative/Liberal Dim/Scottish-Welsh 'National' Parties (SNP-PC) will be out there warning of "3 million jobs lost if we leave the EU" - a ridiculous claim (a total lie in fact) but one which we need more time on to persuade the British people that it (the "3 million jobs lost" claim) is wrong.

The pro-sovereignty/anti-EU movement should be doing that now.

steve fowler

My famliy and i have been to taking about moving to Austrailia for a bit now ive said put the plan to go in place but i dont want to leave Britain unless we really have too i do want to fight the EU and do what damage to it i can and try to wake some of this country up but i want to have moving to Austrailia as last option LEFT!.

Plus i dont think it would just be us Brits trying to get out the exit Europe marked door the rest of european people's will be trying to get out aswell.

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The tactic of the europhile Scottish so-called 'National' Party (SNP) - which, of course, wants Scotland out of the UK - is not to back a referendum on that matter at this time. The SNP wishes to wait until it has had "more time to prepare the public in Scotland for such a vote" and to ensure that such a referendum is held in the most favourite political climate to their cause.

In other words - they know they cannot win such a referendum and are waiting for a time when they think they can.

We in the UK anti-EU movement should follow that same strategy because we cannot be sure at this time (with UKIP on 1% in the latest national opinion poll published today) that we can win an "in or out of the EU" referendum at this particular time.

I would rather have a referendum on UK membership of the EU a little later and win it - rather than have one right now and possibly lose it.

Britannist

Australia is currently advertising for British people to move there (South Australia is one of the states of Australia most keen). I understand that candidates should have working skills required in Australia and be aged under 45.

I am sorry to see British people leave the UK permanently.

And you are right, Steve - the more powerful the EU becomes the more people are going to want to get out of other EU nations.

Britannist

That's what the movement to quit Canada in Quebec said - twice. And they lost both referendums.

I would rather have an EU membership referendum a little later and win it - than have one right now and possibly lose it and see the UK stuck in the EU for decades to come.

The Scottish 'National' Party (SNP) are prepared to wait a while for a referendum on quitting the UK until a time they feel they can win it. We should consider waiting for an EU membership referendum too - because we may not win it now (UKIP is on 1% of the national vote in an opinion poll published in the Independent newspaper today).

Not everyone wants to emigrate or can emigrate from the UK - most people here in the UK would be stuck in the EU Superstate if there is a Yes to staying in the EU vote in a referendum.

We have a duty to everyone who wants a sovereign UK to get a referendum on EU membership held at a time which gives us the best chance of winning it.

mkpdavies

At least they know the score now.

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I would rather have an EU membership referendum a little later and win it - than have one right now and possibly lose it and see the UK stuck in the EU for decades to come.

The longer it goes, the less likely we will win. To many people leaving, to be replaced (and then some) by people who couldn't give a flying **** about Britain. It's now or never.

If the British people choose Communism, then they are welcome to it. The people who don't want it will have to try and stay and fight to change minds, or join me in Costa Rica.

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You cant have it so there.

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That is, exactly, how I feel Matt. Well said.

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Why do we have less chance of winning an EU withdrawal referendum by waiting a while longer?

If the anti-EU movement spent the next three or four years leafleting and calling on every voter in the land (except known europhiles) to inform them of just what damage the EU is doing then the chances of winning a referendum then would increase.

As things stand, the overwhelming majority of voters have not heard from the anti-EU movement for several years and some are not as familiar with what the EU is up to as we are: as I pointed out earlier millions of voters have not had a UKIP leaflet since the last General Election and those in seats not contested by UKIP/Veritas in May 2005 have mostly not had a single anti-EU leaflet through their door since the June 2004 EU Election.

If there are people who think we can win an EU withdrawal referendum in these circumstances where tens of millions of voters have heard nothing from the anti-EU movement for several years I would have to say that they are mistaken.

The correct tactic is to start a national campaign lasting several years in which all voters hear from the anti-EU movement a number of times (leaflets, phone calls, pro-sovereignty campaigners calling on all voters): and then go for an EU withdrawal referendum.

mkpdavies

Beacause there won't be any Brits left to give a toss.

We don't get a say soon, then it is over. Britain will be eradicated.

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