United Kingdom Independence party accused of diverting EU allowances

brian lee · 24-02-2008, 10:57 AM

Please can anybody confirm if the story is in the printed version of the Sunday Times? I couldn't find it on the online version 5 minutes ago.

eublues · 24-02-2008, 11:00 AM

It's certainly still online - see under Politics heading on their website.

Tony Bennett · 24-02-2008, 11:01 AM

'Daily Telegraph', 15 June 2004:

QUOTE

Mr Farage explained that UKIP MEPs would be attending plenary meetings so that they could qualify for full secretarial allowances and that they would be using the money to turn UKIP into a "genuine mass movement".

UNQUOTE

Or not.

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Mikeuk · 24-02-2008, 11:03 AM

Just listening to the TV news. Everybody is so excited about Mr Speaker Martin's (alleged) 'nice little earners' that nobody seems to be paying attention to Nigel.

Tony Bennett · 24-02-2008, 11:17 AM

chikrodah wrote:

You've not forgiven him for this one yet, have you, TB?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...26/ixhome.html

Did you bother with a libel action?

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REPLY: No libel action was necessary (apart from it being prohibitivley expensive of course) as most of the content was accurate, except of course that I did not say Mohammed was a paedophile, but simply asserted that today he would be imprisoned for child sexual abuse.

What did amuse me is that during the three weeks prior to this article appaearing in the 'Sunday Telegraph', both Greg Lance-Watkins and Daniel Foggo 'phoned me up several times, pretending that they were genuinely interested in researching a story on Islamic extremism. In truth, they were desperate to get hold of the pamphlet I'd written in order to quote it against me.

I played along with them and sent them other research material I'd accumulated on militant Islamism, but they pestered me for my original pamphlet, which I never sent them.

By the way, that is not the only time I've seen Lance-Watkins and Foggo acting in concert.

On balance, I'm glad the 'Daily Telegraph' printed that article and helped many more people realise that the 'Prophet' Mohammed was aged 51 and Ayesha just 6 when he fancied her so much that he proposed to her (or rather to his mother, as was and is the custom), and then insisted on consummating this engagement when she was 9 and he was 54.

He'd be facing a stiff jail term if he tried that on in today's U.K.

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Anthony Butcher · 24-02-2008, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stathan

Wales does not have a full time RO!

I should know because I don't have a full time Welsh RO to report to!

Anthony why do you constantly have to make up such false and potentially libellous statements as your false assertion that Knapman employs a full time RO for Wales?

Well, it certainly did when Richard Suchorzewski was running Wales, and he was paid for by Roger Knapman. I am 99% certain of this.

It may have changed since, or I suppose that it is possible that I was completely misinformed of the arrangement.

If it turns out that I am wrong, I will happily issue a grovelling apology and correction.

And please stop the personal attacks - they don't further the debate.

SponPlague · 24-02-2008, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeuk

Good. Now he needs to take the usual preliminary steps before legal action.

What is the Nattress case he mentions?

Brookes Case - result‏

Anthony Butcher · 24-02-2008, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukip

“There is not a single grain of truth in the statement that I am employing my son using EU allowances or in any other capacity.

“The article also contains a statement alleging that I am being investigated by OLAF, the EU’s fraud watch dog. This is simply untrue.”

This puts a very different slant on things. Now we have two polar opposite claims.

blueblood1920 · 24-02-2008, 11:32 AM

Should be an interesting story to follow, could really damage UKIP and possibly cost them a lot of members.

kernow · 24-02-2008, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueblood1920

Should be an interesting story to follow, could really damage UKIP and possibly cost them a lot of members.

You sincerely hope so!

24-02-2008, 11:01 AM	#53 (permalink)
Tony Bennett Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 876	Using the money to create a genuine mass movement 'Daily Telegraph', 15 June 2004: QUOTE Mr Farage explained that UKIP MEPs would be attending plenary meetings so that they could qualify for full secretarial allowances and that they would be using the money to turn UKIP into a "genuine mass movement". UNQUOTE Or not. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

24-02-2008, 11:17 AM	#55 (permalink)
Tony Bennett Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 876	Foggo and Lance-Watkins United chikrodah wrote: You've not forgiven him for this one yet, have you, TB? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...26/ixhome.html Did you bother with a libel action? ============================= REPLY: No libel action was necessary (apart from it being prohibitivley expensive of course) as most of the content was accurate, except of course that I did not say Mohammed was a paedophile, but simply asserted that today he would be imprisoned for child sexual abuse. What did amuse me is that during the three weeks prior to this article appaearing in the 'Sunday Telegraph', both Greg Lance-Watkins and Daniel Foggo 'phoned me up several times, pretending that they were genuinely interested in researching a story on Islamic extremism. In truth, they were desperate to get hold of the pamphlet I'd written in order to quote it against me. I played along with them and sent them other research material I'd accumulated on militant Islamism, but they pestered me for my original pamphlet, which I never sent them. By the way, that is not the only time I've seen Lance-Watkins and Foggo acting in concert. On balance, I'm glad the 'Daily Telegraph' printed that article and helped many more people realise that the 'Prophet' Mohammed was aged 51 and Ayesha just 6 when he fancied her so much that he proposed to her (or rather to his mother, as was and is the custom), and then insisted on consummating this engagement when she was 9 and he was 54. He'd be facing a stiff jail term if he tried that on in today's U.K. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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24-02-2008, 10:57 AM	#51 (permalink)
brian lee Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South Essex Posts: 611	Please can anybody confirm if the story is in the printed version of the Sunday Times? I couldn't find it on the online version 5 minutes ago.

24-02-2008, 11:00 AM	#52 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,005	It's certainly still online - see under Politics heading on their website.

24-02-2008, 11:03 AM	#54 (permalink)
Mikeuk Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,638 Party: Conservatives	Just listening to the TV news. Everybody is so excited about Mr Speaker Martin's (alleged) 'nice little earners' that nobody seems to be paying attention to Nigel.

24-02-2008, 11:32 AM	#59 (permalink)
blueblood1920 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,136 Party: BNP	Should be an interesting story to follow, could really damage UKIP and possibly cost them a lot of members.