United Kingdom Independence party accused of diverting EU allowances

PETWINA · 28-02-2008, 07:26 AM

Independent UKIP is correct.If the story had legs it would have been all over the press this week.Foggo is focked.

Aardvark · 28-02-2008, 08:02 AM

In what way? It was a minor inside story - second item on p11. Other newspapers won't pick up on it unless they are going with the theme of UKIP, which most aren't. At most there will be a correction of equal status - inside page, same prominence. The PCC is a toothless watchdog - newspapers cooperate to avoid tougher legislation, but how many papers have been closed, how many journalists sacked, how many big fines have there been?

We forget that we are not as significant as we might wish. Most of the population have yet to hear about us, despite millions of leaflets which were scanned and binned.

Most people don't read broadsheets and most will take yet another 'corrupt' politician with a pinch of salt. How many Sunday Times readers will change their vote from the party that is hitting 1% in the opinion polls (that's with the don't knows, won't votes and refusals to answer taken out)?

40% of the population at the next GE won't vote at all. They're not interested.

Circulation:

Sunday Times - 1,231,374 - 31 Dec 07 - 27 Jan 08
NoW - 3,264,676

Readership is double - ish. More than twice as many people 'know' NF was spanked by his Latvian lovely as know that he has paid his son (allegedly). Less than 10% of the electorate know the most recent allegation, whilst the older one has been more widely talked of in other fora.

Population - est 60,000,000; electorate 44,000,000???

prober · 28-02-2008, 09:28 AM

Spoke to someone yesterday who said they had heard about UKIP in the press and after some thought said "isnt that the anti Royalist Party whose leader refused to stand up when Prince Charles gave a speech ? " BOUING !

Resigned Member · 28-02-2008, 09:29 AM

No doubt you have a copy of the letter Farage wrote to the PCC about the story of his spanking by the Baltic lady.. Do you think this was pack of lies-Mrs Farage did not?

Millennium3 · 28-02-2008, 10:29 AM

UKIP, under Farage's leadership has become a liability in the struggle against the LT ratification and implementation, which is almost an impossible battle without him as an impediment. He will not resign his leadership, whatever happens, and he has too many supporters in key positions to force him out.

His leadership term takes him beyond the next GE.

Anyone got some good news?

eublues · 02-03-2008, 06:38 AM

Is there any more from Foggo this weekend?

prober · 02-03-2008, 09:11 AM

" Latvian lady employed by UKIP as research spanker"

Anthony Butcher · 02-03-2008, 01:03 PM

The lack of response from the ST to Farage's denial says a lot about how insignificant and uninteresting the media regard UKIP. They appear to be happy to ignore his denial completely, safe in the knowledge that very few people will ever become aware of it.

It just reinforces the need for Farage to take action (legal or PCC) asap. If he doesn't then it will very soon become established 'fact' that he hired his son Conway-style, regardless of whether it is true or not.

Even just a PCC complaint will force the paper into either revealing its evidence or printing a retraction.

Geoffrey Collier · 02-03-2008, 02:32 PM

Anthony Butcher: Let us look at some options which exist to settle this matter.

Nigel could complain to the Press Complaints Commission. Should the ST allegations be untrue, an apology would be published. We are not talking about the ST's opinion about Farage, but very specific allegations. (This option would be free of charge)

The police could be informed, both by Farage and his son, as separate complaints. Was public money diverted, for the son's advantage, without
lawful authority. This would be a criminal investigation, again, free of charge.

A letter of complaint to the ST's, insisting that the story was wholly unfounded. This could also provoke an apology from the ST and an admission that they were in error.

Should the story not have, 'a grain of truth', with confidence Farage could see a lawyer. There would have to be a settlement prior to any court action.

Again, UKIP is being harmed by those who should be the Party's natural custodians. It is time that the Party's financial accounts were minutely
inspected by an independent authority. We are being destroyed from within.

Anthony Butcher · 02-03-2008, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier

It is time that the Party's financial accounts were minutely
inspected by an independent authority. We are being destroyed from within.

You will have noticed that the official denial includes this statement:

Quote:

The UK Independence Party recently appointed as its Treasurer Mrs Marta Andreasen, the accountant who was sacked by the EU in 2002 for refusing to approve its accounts. The party said she had been asked to take up the position because of her openness, honesty and professionalism as an accountant.

Of course, it is a fairly transparent attempt to deceive the reader into thinking that this also includes the UKIP MEP's expenses and the Independence & Democracy Group finances as well. Marta Andreason will, AFAIK, only be looking at the national party finances, and her role as treasurer has absolutely no relevance to EU expenses. Indeed, the UKIP NEC has no access to MEP and IDG accounts.

28-02-2008, 08:02 AM	#222 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,112	In what way? It was a minor inside story - second item on p11. Other newspapers won't pick up on it unless they are going with the theme of UKIP, which most aren't. At most there will be a correction of equal status - inside page, same prominence. The PCC is a toothless watchdog - newspapers cooperate to avoid tougher legislation, but how many papers have been closed, how many journalists sacked, how many big fines have there been? We forget that we are not as significant as we might wish. Most of the population have yet to hear about us, despite millions of leaflets which were scanned and binned. Most people don't read broadsheets and most will take yet another 'corrupt' politician with a pinch of salt. How many Sunday Times readers will change their vote from the party that is hitting 1% in the opinion polls (that's with the don't knows, won't votes and refusals to answer taken out)? 40% of the population at the next GE won't vote at all. They're not interested. Circulation: Sunday Times - 1,231,374 - 31 Dec 07 - 27 Jan 08 NoW - 3,264,676 Readership is double - ish. More than twice as many people 'know' NF was spanked by his Latvian lovely as know that he has paid his son (allegedly). Less than 10% of the electorate know the most recent allegation, whilst the older one has been more widely talked of in other fora. Population - est 60,000,000; electorate 44,000,000??? __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

28-02-2008, 09:29 AM	#224 (permalink)
Resigned Member Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 97	United No doubt you have a copy of the letter Farage wrote to the PCC about the story of his spanking by the Baltic lady.. Do you think this was pack of lies-Mrs Farage did not?

02-03-2008, 01:03 PM	#228 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,414 Party: None	The lack of response from the ST to Farage's denial says a lot about how insignificant and uninteresting the media regard UKIP. They appear to be happy to ignore his denial completely, safe in the knowledge that very few people will ever become aware of it. It just reinforces the need for Farage to take action (legal or PCC) asap. If he doesn't then it will very soon become established 'fact' that he hired his son Conway-style, regardless of whether it is true or not. Even just a PCC complaint will force the paper into either revealing its evidence or printing a retraction. __________________ If you care about what's in your food and where it comes from, then get it labelled! Label My Food - http://www.labelmyfood.org.uk

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28-02-2008, 07:26 AM	#221 (permalink)
PETWINA Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 154	Independent UKIP is correct.If the story had legs it would have been all over the press this week.Foggo is focked.

28-02-2008, 09:28 AM	#223 (permalink)
prober Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 797	Spoke to someone yesterday who said they had heard about UKIP in the press and after some thought said "isnt that the anti Royalist Party whose leader refused to stand up when Prince Charles gave a speech ? " BOUING !

28-02-2008, 10:29 AM	#225 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 3,682	UKIP, under Farage's leadership has become a liability in the struggle against the LT ratification and implementation, which is almost an impossible battle without him as an impediment. He will not resign his leadership, whatever happens, and he has too many supporters in key positions to force him out. His leadership term takes him beyond the next GE. Anyone got some good news?

02-03-2008, 06:38 AM	#226 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,925	Is there any more from Foggo this weekend?

02-03-2008, 09:11 AM	#227 (permalink)
prober Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 797	" Latvian lady employed by UKIP as research spanker"

02-03-2008, 02:32 PM	#229 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 648	Anthony Butcher: Let us look at some options which exist to settle this matter. Nigel could complain to the Press Complaints Commission. Should the ST allegations be untrue, an apology would be published. We are not talking about the ST's opinion about Farage, but very specific allegations. (This option would be free of charge) The police could be informed, both by Farage and his son, as separate complaints. Was public money diverted, for the son's advantage, without lawful authority. This would be a criminal investigation, again, free of charge. A letter of complaint to the ST's, insisting that the story was wholly unfounded. This could also provoke an apology from the ST and an admission that they were in error. Should the story not have, 'a grain of truth', with confidence Farage could see a lawyer. There would have to be a settlement prior to any court action. Again, UKIP is being harmed by those who should be the Party's natural custodians. It is time that the Party's financial accounts were minutely inspected by an independent authority. We are being destroyed from within.