Anthony Butcher

Have either of his sons ever been employed by the ID group or any related MEP?

It's not really a matter of clutching at straws, its a matter of a major broadsheet making a bold claim that they can apparently prove. I for one, am just looking for some way in which both parties can be telling some version of the truth....

And UKIP is a victim of its own games here too - it has previously played silly semantic word games, which is why so many of us no longer trust the spirit of a denial, only the specific wording.

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C_steam

Cook up? In the sense of making things up OR in the sense of aquiring all of the easily available ingredients and then combining them to produce the correct result?

I'd go for the latter, and I support Tony B's view that UKIP should be whiter than white. IF (and I accept not proven) MEP's employ family, then it should be raised and reported. IF MEP's employ poles, it should be raised and reported. IF the NEC take scurrilous actions against long serving members, it should be reported.

UKIP should be known for good works, and effective campaigning - not for the sunday tabloid stories. It is up to the leadership and the MEP's to ensure that everything they do is above board. If they did, then the sunday times et al wouldn't have any stories, would they?

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Geoffrey Collier

Aardvark: I was just making what I thought was the most generous assumption under the circumstances: he could be a person with an employment contract of some kind. Whether Exeter University would approve of a full-time student having such an obligation is another matter.

Is the whole story a load of nonsense, or does it have some credence on the basis of evidence? At least it must have some basis, unless the Sunday Times no longer has any regard for it's reputation. Was it made-up at the last moment by Daniel Foggo in a desperate attempt to earn a dishonest crust? Could be, but we must either admit a mistake, or give a comprehensive explanation.

Again, the Party is being brought into disrepute by those at the top. That dreadful history makes constant visitations upon us; we cannot continue like this and we all know it. Was that young man engaged in any remunerated employment, for which UKIP had any responsibility? Unless EU funds were being misused, the answer must be no. Should that not be the case, any Party income, irrespective of origin, legitimacy or purpose, must be known to the Electoral Commission. Income refers only the direction of a capital-flow
and nothing else. Nigel, who protests his innocence, must ask El-Com to confirm the veracity of what he says, in an endeavour to re-assure the membership. In the last 2007 edition of Independence, NF chided El-Com for failing in their regulatory duties towards UKIP. Should that be true, these unfortunate circumstances present an opportunity, for UKIP to request El-Com's services without further delay. Protecting the honesty and reputation of the Party, must be the only consideration.

Mark Croucher

Stop being an ar5e, Tony.

You for one are just looking for a way in which the story can be true so you can puff up your chest in a feeling of moral rectitude and treat us to a few more homilies on cabalistic ethics.

My specific wording was that the story was not true. It still isn't true, and no, Nigels 7 year old daughter receives no paid remuneration either. And nor does the baby. Or his other son. Or his father. I don't think his neighbour is paid by either UKIP or the EP either. I've never met his mum, so I can't vouch for her though, I'm afraid. Perhaps my wording here is a clue that there's a new scandal in the offing? 'MEP employs Mum' sort of thing? A Peter Hain-esque touch, but without the permatan? Or perhaps I've misled you and his daughter's pocket money comes from EP allowances?!? Shock! Horror! Gasp! "MEP in pocket money scandal" - hold the front pages!

Also,

simply means that Foggo's source has sent OLAF a letter, nothing more, while 'claims by a former regional organiser' have already been dismissed by an employment tribunal, and the EP itself has ok'd the system as a whole.

Yes, I should have mentioned that some bits are true, but public domain matters tend to be self-evident. I can confirm however that the leader of UKIP is Nigel Farage, his son is called Sam, his wife is his secretary etc etc.

yawn

M

Anthony Butcher

Thank you for clarifying it so eloquently.

Foggo is apparently maintaining that he can prove the claims, so I suppose we will just have to wait until next Sunday now.

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B.A.Ware

I really don't know why people are speculating it might be true it might not be lets just wait and see the truth will become apparent over time and then is the best time to judge Nigel.

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Aardvark

MC, You are assuming that the former RO is the same one who has just lost the court case. Id be careful about that, there are loads of former ROs out there and many still have links into UKIP.

MC, Do you believe that journalists for the Sunday Times make up stories without a shred of evidence? Why would they do that?

It's not wishful thinking on the part of posters, but there is a story that the ST thought was worth telling. It's not front page, but UKIP aren't these days.

MC, How come you, as you say - a pub landlord, knows so much about the personal details of the Farage family finances? Have you been a witness to every contract that NF has signed? Do you have access to the financial departments of the EU? Do you have NF's son's diary? Have you spoken to NF since this story broke?

Geoffrey, students are a financial commodity these days and have to borrow thousands to pay their fees and living expenses. Sadly Exeter Uni will be delighted that a student has an income to allow him to stay on the course.

C steam - surely you've paid Pole dancers and Lapp dancers? I have.

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PETWINA

I fear Foggo may be Focked.

chikrodah

Foggo, like any other investigative journalist, would need to satisfy the ST legal team as to the veracity of his article. That might include emails, transcripts of telephone conversations, contemporaneous notes, etc.

Foggo, unlike Swinford, does not have a reputation for getting his facts wrong.

Either you're indulging in wishful thinking, Petwina, or you're aware that Foggo's been passed disinformation. If the latter, then it is logical to assume that senior members of UKIP are involved in trying to damage a journalist's reputation. Is that really what you're claiming?

PETWINA

for fun google DANIEL FOGGO MI5
you'll get the picture