mkpdavies

I hope you enjoy it! Just remember it was using money stolen from people though. Personally, that would make me want to puke.

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I can see your point strictly speaking, but applied consistently we presumably shouldn't contest the EU elections, or if we do should not allow MEPs to take their seats (as has been argued in the past I know).

In my view we would have been totally ignored.

prober

You are becoming a grumpy old man MKP. Let them enjoy their harmless fun, and maybe take banners to have a pro democracy protest while they are it outside the main doors and end up with a couple of days in continental nick at EU expense which will look good on a radical professional politician c.v.

Enough posts have been made here to emphasise to Y Inds that no one should fool themselves its the real thing.

wayneanthonyharling

Yeah let us have our fun. haha.

Anyway, one reason for the visit is to allow an excursion that is fun, educational and social. It is hoped that the Strasbourg visit will result in development in teamworking and friendship making which will help Young Independence work much more efficiently. Young Independence needs to be a social home as well as a political home for EU critial young people. Showing young people the fun we get up to will be good publicity.

Also, if it attracts young people to go and get involved, then hopefully it will strike some activism in the young.

mkpdavies

There was an argument that UKIP could use the EU against itself and the many people who voted for UKIP (me included) would accept some money being utilised for unearthing corruption and utilising funds to combat EU propaganda.

This had to be done very carefully and wisely though. Sometimes they have done this well, for example the Referendum protest, or producing cost benefit analysis (such as Battens).

The danger was that this power would corrupt the party and make it lose site of what is important. Sadly I beleive that is demonstrably the case.

I just don't see how taking a bunch of already converteds fits into a careful framework though. I have to be honest and think overall, UKIP having MEPs has done more damage than good. By now UKIP should have a couple of MPs and a reasonable amount of councilors. It doesn't, because people don't see UKIP as a creditable British party.

Indeed I no longer see UKIP as a UK political party, but a protest group within the EU framework. Sure I'll vote for it on that basis, but it isn't the solution to Britain getting out of the EU for me anymore. That work has to be done here in the U.K. and that is where UKIP has failed miseralbly as it gets mesmerised by the EUs smoke and mirrors.

I want a party that puts freedom first and builds a comprehensive range of policies based on that platform. Then it needs to campaign on all issues, utilising the solid platform it has built. Thankfully one of the main planks is we have to get out of the EU to do any of it. Thus expect a lot of coperation on a number of issues.

While UKIP bangs on about immigration and the EU all the time though, the new party would be free to go head to head with the old school on all issues, pointing out why they can't do much at every opportunity. I thought UKIP could have done that, but it seems the leadership want to maintain the laser like focus. Maybe that is a good plan, but I simply don't see any results coming from it and worse, can't see that the people will ever see UKIP as the alternative.

Thus while I wish UKIP well in it's mission to get us out of the EU (which I share), I would rather focus my time on helping get a party that puts freedom first. Freedom with responsibility of course, but a party that will have the tools to fight elections as a solution, not a protest.

I will be making the case strongly that such a party should leave the EU elections to UKIP and focus on Britain and Britain alone, as a Libertarian government should always be a limited one. Indeed, I would expect the EU to be ignored and some effort made to pushing democracy down to a local level in as many areas as possible.

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mkpdavies

I don't want to ruin their fun. I just don't like the idea of robbing people to pay for it.

It matters not now anyway, I have resigned and will be focusing on other priorities now. I wish UKIP well and hope they help get Britain out of the EU, even if they can't provide the alternative that people switch to in the end.

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Mikeuk

Is a 'junkette' one of the perks available on a Euro-junket?

prober

MKP I'm shocked & sad you have resigned ! Though understand why . I always thought you & UKIP were for ever despite the shrinking of its ambitions. What the hell will Wokes do now ?

mkpdavies

Better probably.

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Populist Lee

That analysis is accurate and almost makes the observation I have been making for years . . .

Viz. The EU Parliament is the Venus Fly-trap; and UKIP is a foolish Bluebottle.
Once you're lured inside, you cannot get out.
You're absorbed. What remains is a worthless husk.

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