Call for prison visitors to pay for parking, too

Westcountryman · 09-12-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by brian pearson

Thought we were talking about visitors. Lots of able bodied people have to attend hospital regularly.

You said you didn't know why disabled people should get free parking, I submitted a possible reason why.

Geoffrey Collier · 09-12-2007, 01:49 PM

While there may be a theoretical anomoly in charging hospital patients parking
fees, but not the friends and families of prisoners, things are not always what they appear. You can be certain that the vehicles of those who visit the criminal fraternity are well noted. Aa a source of intelligence, no doubt, free parking has much to commend it. Life is more complex than that perceived by the 'Sun reader' school of social justice. UKIP is supposed to be about Constitutional matters of primary importance: let us keep to the main issues.

brian pearson · 09-12-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

Any decent society protests its most vunerable, people who have realitves in prison are often victims too and they need our support.

I'd rather call the most vulnerable people in society the infirm, elderly, severly disabled, orphaned children....... not the relatives of muggers, rapists, serial burglars, druggies, child molestors fraudsters.

brian pearson · 09-12-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

You said you didn't know why disabled people should get free parking, I submitted a possible reason why.

I'd agree that people going to hospital for treatment should not pay to park, disabled or not. I think this happens to a certain extent now.

mkpdavies · 09-12-2007, 02:12 PM

I see where you are coming from with the disabled thing Brian. It is simply a fact that a lot of disabled people have more than enough money to be able to pay. Whether that is thanks to generous benefits or their own hard work.

I think it's a bit like the recycling thing (emotionally) though. Fair, reasonble and right doesn't come into it. It's about pandering to the warm fluffy feeling brigade, no matter what. After all, no one would begrudge a poor disabled person some extra benefits right? They are so unfortunate and have probably had a miserable and wretched life (note I am being sarcastic). It's almost like a pat on the head for the poor loves.

Some disabled people probably find it patronising (I would), but at the end of the day, most people don't turn down a free lunch and most people who realise it's a bit of a con are either scared of being called heartless, or simply think there are bigger fish to fry so don't make a fuss.

I have asthma, which in my mind makes me a bit disabled. Where can I cash in for a free lunch?

B.A.Ware · 09-12-2007, 02:19 PM

Going back to paying for parking at prisons because people pay to park at hospitals, two wrongs don't make a right.

Ukip should be campaigning on restoring free parking at hospitals.

If all the Ukip branches across the country petitioned for this it would get us much needed publicity and plenty of public support.

rjt · 09-12-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by brian pearson

I'd rather call the most vulnerable people in society the infirm, elderly, severly disabled, orphaned children....... not the relatives of muggers, rapists, serial burglars, druggies, child molestors fraudsters.

Indeed but is a child depirved of a father through no fault of its own also vunerable, is a wife deprived of her husband not vunerable? Are these people somehow less human then you or I because of something their realative has done?

brian pearson · 09-12-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by B.A.Ware

Going back to paying for parking at prisons because people pay to park at hospitals, two wrongs don't make a right.

Ukip should be campaigning on restoring free parking at hospitals.

If all the Ukip branches across the country petitioned for this it would get us much needed publicity and plenty of public support.

Agreed. A simple token system and barriers should stop people dodging the local car park charge when shopping. Hospitals should be funded directly, not by parking taxes.

Roland · 09-12-2007, 05:25 PM

I don't think you should be charged for either we pay for both through taxes we should not be charged again.

kernow · 09-12-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brian pearson

Thought we were talking about visitors. Lots of able bodied people have to attend hospital regularly.

Very true! I had an elderly Uncle who was in hospital for three months and I visited him daily,( he had no one else) It cost me a bloody fortune!

09-12-2007, 02:12 PM	#15 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,811	I see where you are coming from with the disabled thing Brian. It is simply a fact that a lot of disabled people have more than enough money to be able to pay. Whether that is thanks to generous benefits or their own hard work. I think it's a bit like the recycling thing (emotionally) though. Fair, reasonble and right doesn't come into it. It's about pandering to the warm fluffy feeling brigade, no matter what. After all, no one would begrudge a poor disabled person some extra benefits right? They are so unfortunate and have probably had a miserable and wretched life (note I am being sarcastic). It's almost like a pat on the head for the poor loves. Some disabled people probably find it patronising (I would), but at the end of the day, most people don't turn down a free lunch and most people who realise it's a bit of a con are either scared of being called heartless, or simply think there are bigger fish to fry so don't make a fuss. I have asthma, which in my mind makes me a bit disabled. Where can I cash in for a free lunch? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,489 Party: UKIP	Going back to paying for parking at prisons because people pay to park at hospitals, two wrongs don't make a right. Ukip should be campaigning on restoring free parking at hospitals. If all the Ukip branches across the country petitioned for this it would get us much needed publicity and plenty of public support. __________________ We’re not just about Europe.

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09-12-2007, 01:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,118	While there may be a theoretical anomoly in charging hospital patients parking fees, but not the friends and families of prisoners, things are not always what they appear. You can be certain that the vehicles of those who visit the criminal fraternity are well noted. Aa a source of intelligence, no doubt, free parking has much to commend it. Life is more complex than that perceived by the 'Sun reader' school of social justice. UKIP is supposed to be about Constitutional matters of primary importance: let us keep to the main issues.

09-12-2007, 05:25 PM	#19 (permalink)
Roland Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 859	I don't think you should be charged for either we pay for both through taxes we should not be charged again.