Independent UKIP

I do not expect the full transcripts of the meetings and I'm fairly sure that G Hall is not suggesting that they should be released to the public either. You should know as you have mentioned the website that public/ukip member friendly minutes of NEC meetings have not been supplied at ukip.org for months. They are not mentioned in the Independence newsletter either. You rightly say that if members don't like what the NEC is doing then we should vote for someone else. We the members can't credibly do that if we have not even a bare minimum of information of what the NEC is doing. The best way for you to get my vote next year (or someone else you endorse if you don't stand) is for you as a NEC member to sort this situation out so that the public/ukip member friendly minutes of NEC meetings are available on the website and if plausible also in Independence. I hopefully look forward to thanking you for your positive action on this issue.

Anthony Butcher

I have just been reminded that John Whittaker has some form in respect to poor behaviour in NEC meetings. Many of you will recall that there was an NEC meeting last year where a resolution was in the process of being voted upon. It was incredibly close, but John Whitttaker stated that rather than let the vote pass he would leave the room to make the meeting inquorate (there were only just enough members present). That's right, the now UKIP chairman decided that rather than accept a legitmate, democratic vote he would sabotage it to get his own way. This shockingly poor behaviour went uncommented by Roger Knapman (then leader) and DCB (then Party Chairman) who were both present and no disciplinary action was taken against him.

Oddly it didn't appear in the "minutes".

I mention this because at least one person has questioned the value of first hand experience of dealing with the people at the top.

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douglas denny

As a matter of fact this issue came up at the last meeting and John Whittaker said he had not done a digest of the NEC meeeting for some time due to pressure of work and the myriad of things requiring immediate attention so it had lapsed. With discussion about it, everyone agreed they are a necessary and useful means of trying to keep in touch with the membership and should be done. John agreed to do them again next time so you should see some digest of the NEC meeting after next.
I will mention it.

DED.
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Independent UKIP

Is that person me AB? I do recall reading about this matter here at the time though don't recall the transcripts of the topic. If I had anything to say about it I don't recall that. As it is still a matter worthy of mentioning why were there so few members of the NEC present so that 1 person withdrawing made the meeting inquorate? And as that meeting was so able to become inquorate is it in fact such a terrible act that Whittaker might have withdrawn with the reasoned assumption/knowledge that a future meeting with more members would vote differently and thus embarrass the party by reversing the previous decision? Several questions by me but no presumptions.

Independent UKIP

I very much appreciate your reply. To my mind it is probably the best post you have ever made on this forum. I am amazed that John Whittaker considers himself personally responsible for this. If the person who takes the minutes is unable to edit them for public consumption is there really noone else who can do that such as party employees and/or press officers or in the extreme consideration close relatives of a senior member? If the NEC is not leaking anymore would it not be worthwhile for the duty to be passed downwards.

Anthony Butcher

It was just one of those things, when several people couldn't make the meeting.

Bearing in mind that I had submitted well over a dozen topics for discussion, most of which never made it to the agenda due to "very limited time constraints", then yes, it does matter.

I think that what you are really saying is: was this the only meeting where the 'troublemakers' had a majority and the Faragistas didn't get their own way on every vote? Then the answer is 'yes'. Of course, if one adopts that philosophy, then the six or seven of us I considered to be on-side might as well never have turned up to a single meeting and we could have left all the votes to the 'on-message' members. In fact, they needn't have bothered turning up either, and we could just have left Farage and Knapman to make the decisions.

Either you want an elected NEC with members who vote on issues and it counts, or you want a dictator at the top with some nodding dogs to legitimise his/her decisions. You can't have both.

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C_steam

Only because currently there is ****** all to leak....

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g hall

And you clearly do not read what I have written
"after all we are supposed to be BETTER then the NULAB/LIB/CON trick."

And UKIP is not a large corporation and the number of activists in its ranks are not that great so there could and should be more bottom up democracy.

And if I remember correctly the last NEC election was a bit of a farce wasn't it ?

As I said Accountability because we want to be different or is it going to be the same old cr@p in a different bucket

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douglas denny

We are.


There is.


It was not. It went well.


I've got news for you: ALL politics is the same Cr@p but just in different buckets!

The trick is - to learn to live with it and use it to your own (political) advantage.

You'll learn this eventually.

DED.

Independent UKIP

I should and do apologise to you if my presumption of your view about the public release of NEC transcripts was wrong.