sean43

I to think I was going to join Young Independence. Its just a joke. All this infighting and bickering losing sight of the real cause. Committees, positions, meetings etc complete waste of time.

People wonder why more people dont get involved, utter shambles.

prober

Indeed, but shooting the messenger is a favourite UKIP pass time.

C_steam

Please..........................I can really do without the mental picture that creates.


I'd like to say nice to have you back DED, but I won't - since I suspect your reappearance is a command performance.

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douglas denny

Oh Dear Oh Dear!
I wish you had not said that.
Bad choice of words I agree entirely.

Mixing metaphors is a speciality of mine (I do it unconsciously) - but this time is definitely not appropriate.

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Command performance? You are getting paranoid. No I can assure you it was entirely coincidence I have responded to this thread.
I only look into this forum now and then - perhaps sometimes to see what the general undercurrent of dissent of the moment is.
The last time was when I posted something - whenever that was.

Maybe (now you mention it) subconsciously I looked this time because of recent events, as I have been contacted by various people questioning the situation vis a vis Delroy, and I looked immediately at this thread when I saw it. I was appalled (as usual) by the daft speculations and hen-pecking going on.
Of those who contacted me (one was from my local branch) no one mentioned Delroy's letter, which is odd. Why would they keep the fact from me?

I can assure you I did not know Delroy had posted a letter until saw it on this forum. It is very unfortunate, and in my opinion, remiss of him to send such a letter without sending it to the NEC members too, or at least to John Whittaker the chairman, and preferably not before the whole thing is sorted out in some way. It has only inflamed a situation which needs careful handling to reduce the damage for all parties concerned.

There is more to all this than first meets the eye, and I don't know the complete story yet - though I know entirely what happened at the NEC meeting and a good part of it.
I can assure you John Whittaker is trying very hard indeed to sort out a thorny problem without ruffling any feathers. Feathers are already ruffled though it seems.

What all agree is that Delroy is to be congratulated for his initiative in starting-up the Youth movement in UKIP, but all on the NEC regret bitterly it has foundered with a breakdown of relationships and communication.

Let's hope it can be resolved satisfactorily for all concerned - most of all for UKIP's sake and Youth movement itself, as there are so few willing to attach themselves to it. The colleges and universities are hardly hotbeds of political dissent anymore willing to challenge authority and the accepted political mores of the day - as they were when was a student (but that was a long time ago).

Douglas.

Michael Heaver

To be fair Douglas, the Uni I'm going to has three main Branches, I've been told: the Communist, Green and Anarchist Party Branches. That would seem to go against this notion and I actually believe that UKIP has the potential to be a FAR more appealing choice to many than that of the Big Three.

g hall

Question Are there any minutes from the meeting ? If so can members have copies. In the meantime could people stop acting like members of certain other political parties after all we are supposed to be BETTER then the NULAB/LIB/CON trick.

In other words Have some maturity and grow up or we wll still be in the EUSSR when the year 3000 rolls around

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douglas denny

Always a thorny problem and source of discontent. In short: yes there are minutes of course. Can members have them - no: because the detailed minutes in the public domain give the opposition parties (and others) a deep insight into the inner workings of the party and give them ammunition to attack us.
They are confidential, and quite rightly should remain so. (Although there have been unscrupulous and dishonourable members of the NEC in the past who have leaked them).

A digest of the meeting with outline reference to substantive business already passed by resolution, or Leaders/Treasurers report if of particular moment is sent out by the chairman, (to the website and others if they ask), but usually only if it is of obvious interest to the membership in general because of particualr events/issues.

A lot of it is pretty mundane sort of stuff though which is of little direct interest, so often there are is no digest sent out.

Douglas.

g hall

Why can members not have them after all we've paid our dues and we are invited to stand for elections and help the party by leafleting
As regards giving other parties ammunition frankly with this cr@p going on they already have more then enough.

The officers MUST be accountable to members IT is not YOUR private party
We are in this together if you behave as a party within a party with its own secrets then YOU WILL alienate an awful lot of supporters and may as well give up now as it will amount to sweet FA

As for "The Inner Workings " of the party words fail me

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douglas denny

You are not listening Mr. Hall.

A large national corporation does not let the shareholders have the minutes of the board meetings - for the obvious reasons I mentioned above. The shareholders are given a report - which must be truthful of course and indicate the state of play of the company and its financial standing. That is the same for a political party.

Can you have the minutes of Gordon Brown's cabinet meetings? of course not - but you pay your taxes just the same and they spend it.
Can you have the minutes of Cameroon's lot in Conservative central office? No.
The Lib Dims? No.
Alles clear?

No need to be enraged about it. You elect NEC members to look after your interests. If you don't like what they are doing you vote for someone else .... as you will be able to do in my case soon.

Douglas.

Independent UKIP

My belief that Del has not lied does not change my prior stated position that,

as the same events are always subject to different interpretations.

Thus whilst on the surface what Del has said is very damning with regard to Whittaker and the unnamed NEC member we have not heard any counter explanation from them. I could speculate that Wayne's "report" - (quotes on purpose due to my lack of knowledge) contained key personal information which sadly could not reasonably be supplied to Del before, during or after. But I won't speculate on that as I simply don't know.