Westcountryman

I wasn't aware that anything 'was well' regarding this situation. It wasn't exactly handled in an eloquent or discreet manner.

At what point did the posters of this forum become accountable to either yourself or UKIP?

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douglas denny

Indeed we do Anthony!

You still talk a load of b_llocks sometimes which gets up my nose .......

Best Regards,
Douglas.

Anthony Butcher

I'm not the one who just said that something is wrong, but I am not going to tell you what.

You can't accuse me of being wrong without actually stating what is wrong and why... that's just madness I tell you, madness.

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Millennium3

Ad hominem attacks usually generate a warning. I think an example should be made of those who stoop to that level. What MK'sensitive'PD will make of all this when sees what has been written - I dread to think!

Englander 1

This will blow over, all new teams go through this process, without a bit of friction nothing ever moves forward. If the people involved are determined to make it a success then this will test their character and resolve

Coming Together is a Beginning
Staying together is Progress
Working together is Success

You should count yourselves fortunate to be able to afford a paid administrator....UKIP just seems to lack any vision or direction.

For those interested we now have a Young English Democrats, although in its early stages of development we are determined to ensure it is an integral part of future structure and our national structure.

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B.A.Ware

I always felt this would happen, although i admire what Del has done in forming this group I believe like Ukipyouth (started and run by Alex) the authority should have remained with the young people.

When the group was first formed and it was run by an elder member and had elder mentors i couldn't believe it, i understand why they did this but it was wrong .
If we are not able to let are younger element run their own group i can see no purpose in it existing.

I say this as a friend of Dell and an acquaintance of Wayne, i only hope both parties can be grown up enough to see the cause is worth far more than this internal spat.

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Independent UKIP

I agree it is an item of interest and it has now been implied I think that it was sent to young members of UKIP though not to me as a not quite young enough member of UKIP. (I was wondering about that when I first read the topic as I haven't received the letter).

Having no knowledge about any of the facts of the matter I cannot comment on them. But that has not stopped yourself and others making comments on matters of fact you have no knowledge of (vis a vis that NEC meeting).

You are right that Wayne and some others are members of this forum and Wayne has rightly been scrutinised on this forum as a result of his posts on this matter. Delroy is not a member of this forum and thus cannot be scrutinised on the contents of his apparently public letter or on any other relevant matter. Is that fact not of relevance or significance worthy of mentioning? That is not intended as a criticism of Delroy at all - the MEPs don't and probably only Douglas of the NEC post things about UKIP on internet forums; it is my contention that Wayne and some others should be praised and congratulated for allowing themselves to be subject to public scrutiny on such matters on this forum. If they were not members of this forum or prepared to wash some of the linen in public what would you have had to say about either of those situations?

Anthony Butcher

Well, we know what Del has told us happened in the meeting, and no one has refuted a single fact of it so far. DD has refused to elaborate further than claiming that it 'differs' from his memory. I have no reason to doubt Del's word on this. Are you suggesting that he is lying?

Do you mean should the letter still have been published? Yes. It is an item of discussion regardless of whether that is convenient for certain people or not. Once something is in the public domain (i.e. sent to me or someone else outside the party) it is no longer a private matter. Think of the forum like an independent newspaper - you won't like some of what you read, but at least you get to read it (and to have your say on it).

I think that your issue is really probably with Del for distributing this letter to UKIP members. I am sure that he is aware that he is going to be in for a rough ride for doing so. I don't think that he has ever done anything like this before, so he must have felt pushed to considerable extremes to do so.

Del is actually a member of the forum, but very rarely pops his head in.

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Independent UKIP

Of course I do not believe that Del has lied. But the exact same events are always subject to different intrepretations. Just so that I am not accused of misleading the forum I repeat this part of Del's letter in full:

There is no suggestion in the above that Wayne Harling was also asked to leave the meeting. I genuinely read it on that basis - Wayne was still present within the room whilst the NEC considered the matter. But a later post on this forum has stated that both Del and Wayne were asked to withdraw during the deliberation. There is no need for UKIP supporters to go about accussing us all of lying to each other, but the same events will always be interpreted differently by different people.

I wonder if you have slightly misread my post as my opinion might not be so different from your own. My first words were, "I agree it is an item of interest". I then acknowledged that the letter has been received by at least some young members of UKIP. In my view the public/private issue was thus decided. It was public and worthy of posting and debating here.

If Del felt obliged to send this letter to certain UKIP members then I respect him for feeling so strongly on the matter that he had to do so.

I was not aware that Del was a member of this forum and have never seen him 'pop his head in'. I would very much welcome his contribution to this public debate which he defacto started by sending this letter.

Anthony Butcher

Absolutely. I agree. If it turns out that John Whittaker did indeed consult Del and the other mentors, and pass a copy of Wayne's report to Del, prior to bringing Wayne into the NEC meeting then I will of course apologise unreservedly and take a walk of shame.

Assuming that these facts are accurate, what would you make of John Whittaker's behaviour?

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