Razman

Elections for the Appointed Council Positions will follow shortly after the appointed members have served there term, which is for a period of 1 year I believe, weve had this descussion before.

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Alex McKee

One year is way too long for a temporary ctte to operate without a direct mandate.

Michael Heaver

The idea was for us who were appointed to work hard to ensure that there was a solid, grounded infrastructure in place for people to be elected TO.

ryansoton

The positions should have up to the members to elect not have a coranation just like Mr Brown.

God we look like the Labour party, let the members have their say, then the elected members can get on with it as the current UKIP Youth has no mandate from other younger members.

woodsxxii

I would like to state a few things, I hope that members will not mind too much.

I firstly have to say that I think that I have read all accounts on this thread so far as much as I think necessary. Firstly I do not think it was unprofessional of either Farage or Whittaker not to inform Mr Young about the addition to the agenda, or if it was just a matter of Any other Business. Saying that he should have been informed seems to lead to the fact that everyone on the NEC should be informed, and from what I gather from my experience of committee's it is only the Chairman that is to be informed. It is not unprofessional of Whittaker, and I believe that he did exactly as he should, he has nothing to be sorry about.

I have had experience in not only one, or two, or three, but five different political parties to date, and I think that the way UKIP deals with procedure is better than the other parties. I wish to clarify that if the real issue is the way the meeting was caried out, well then it isn't an issue, a professional politician should be able to deal with a moving society, and I'm sorry to say, but Mr Young should have expected the issue to arise after getting rid of a number of members of YI after praising them so openly at Conference.

I secondly have to say that I completely disagree with Mr Young's statement, it is clear to me that the statement is a way of bringing about damage control, to bring about sympathy, and it doesn't wash with me. Although alot of you have had positive meetings with Mr Young, I never have, he has never been polite or professional with me, and he had no reason to act in such a manner, and I hope that it wasn't the Del that you all know.

I thirdly will state that if the NEC strongly feel that he is not the right person for the job that they have the right to say so, from what has been said Mr Young seems unaccountable to anyone but himself; and if the NEC have no confidence in him, perhaps he should have been removed from YI.

I fourthly will say that I have had nothing but respect and admiration for Mr Harling, he has always been open and honest with me, even with difficult issues. I have found nothing but the utmost respect for him, and I have the utmost confidence in him and the future of YI. I think that the amount of time that Mr Young had given the council do to anything was unreasonable, and think that a year is the minimum that a group of people should be given before judging them. We should have more confidence in our young people, and give them time.

I also wish to add that I in no way wish to be critical of those involved in these events, but I agree that we should move on and deal with the larger issues that the members of the YI exec should be dealing with, be dealt with.

I lastly wish to mention the Administrator of YI, I have met him and found him well versed and polished, but I have never been able to contact him, I have attempted on a number of ocassions, and not got anywhere.

I think we should move on and look toward the future.

Westcountryman

Now that there's no oversight, surely it is only correct that those who remain in charge get an elected mandate?

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prober

For years various UKIP leaders have been indifferent to or obstructed formation of a vibrant and relevant UKIP youth movement , despite polls showing minimal UKIP support amongst young voters. If UKIP has a vote future it is self evident that a high impact youth movement is one of the keys despite ( or because of) the inevitabiluity odf clashes between fresh ideas of youth and the older "dont rock the boat" generations.

To his lasting credit Del cut through all this and fought for and organised set up of the finance logistics web site and interim systems to get it off the ground. No one can take that achievement away from his record even if the "top" has succeeded in usurping him to sidelining young independence into insignificance or turn it into something else.

Bearing in mind freshers week was lost after the leadership election 2006 and the danger that the same would happen 2007 it is widely known that Del had very high expectations of people towards a plan to develop literature for and penetration of colleges and young people's venues. The idea of trying out diffrent people in a temporary appointed committee routing through him for key communications as a step prior to committee elections had a logical reason.

Without being a robust and determined character Del would not have achieved what he did, and it easy to see how he could have seemed intimidating to Wayne bearing in mind the above list of Wayne's priorities. Without going into the several aspects raised and without criticising Wayne's efforts and initiatives I dont think establishing "mini IDD" fraternal links with European country organisations were exactly top of Del's priorities of a clear devlepment of a front line plan and organisation for website literature and working with branches to penetrate colleges etc in UK, particularly bearing in mind that many in UKIP see IDD itself as a fun and games diversion from what UKIP should really be doing in UK... differnce in perception on what Y I is for ?

Its all very sad, and a pity that communication broke down, and instead of reconciliating being the role the NEC a planned ambush on Del was successful because Del aint a political animal, says what he thinks is right and seems too honest for his own good. Of course he should have the script of Wayne's statement so it can be properly addressed.

douglas denny

Publishing a one-sided story is not good judgement.

Subsequently taking a highly partisan, prejudiced point of view is not good judgement.

Anthony Butcher does this all the time - if it is anything against "the leadership" of UKIP - he's there in spadefuls.

My advice to Wayne Harling is not to engage in this forum - all it will do is generate more prejudice against him from the bellyachers.

Is this letter definitely from Del Young? The account does not accord with my memory of events.

Douglas Denny.

xhenry

Well For what it is worth - I will give my opinion - I have had lunch with Delroy - and he seemed a good bloke with a typical ugandan approach to telling things how they are. I relatively recently had a long conversation with him about the Britishness policy group - where he spent quite a lot of time sounding off about how certain individuals had been not performing/undermining his efforts - He didn't remember me - so I could have been anyone - so you would have to say that being so negative about the organisation was bound to get him into trouble - It would be great if the leadership could allow some divergence of opinion whilst UKIP tries to plot its way forward but to give some ground rules in the meantime.

tito

I received the same letter personally, from Del Young.

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