Del Young / UKIP Youth letter

wayneanthonyharling · 20-11-2007, 05:22 PM

I mentioned many times to Del on the phone that we need to create some institutions for an election. Everytime I asked him this he dismissed it as pointless. Probably because he knows that an elected council would have the democratic legitimacy that would have more power in decision making than him.

I am very much for elections. Afterwhich, I would hope that the council in place following the elections would try to put this whole Delroy issue behind them as it is holding things back.

Anthony Butcher · 20-11-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Razman

Mr. Anthony Butcher I am so utterly disappointed you have decided to take side before you have even retrieved all the facts for yourself, for what its worth I wish to share with you what I know.

Please re-read what I have written. I haven't commented at all on anything to do with the disagreement between Wayne and Del. I have no way of making any judgement on that, nor take any side at all. You are confusing two different issues.

I am saying that what John Whittaker did is extremely unprofessional. As I said, there are two sides to every story, which is why it is grossly unfair to ambush an NEC member like this. Wayne obviously produced a report at the meeting, which he had prepared beforehand, yet Del had no opporunity to examine it or provide his own evidence to counter it.

Now Whittaker must have planned this some time in advance to invite Wayne along and have him produce a report. This was an unannounced addition to the meeting agenda. Hence he must have deliberately chosen to keep Del in the dark - i.e. a deliberate ambush. Is that the kind of behaviour you expect from your party leadership, regardless of what you think of Del?

This isn't Wayne's fault either - he wasn't to know, presumably, that Whittaker was keeping it secret. One might suggest that courtesy would dictate that he should have sent Del a copy beforehand, but it looks like relations had broken down too much by that point perhaps.

Alex McKee · 20-11-2007, 05:27 PM

Wayne,

Could you please tell me who is now in overall control of Young Independence?
Is it you?

Alex

wayneanthonyharling · 20-11-2007, 05:29 PM

Young Independence is in the hands of the Youth Council as a whole, not any one individual.

Alex McKee · 20-11-2007, 05:36 PM

Fair enough. You're the "executive" chairman of that council, right?

So issue some strong "requests" that the council organise some elections.

Michael Heaver · 20-11-2007, 07:10 PM

As a member of the Youth Council I would like to state that I, personally, always found Del to be professional and great mentor who always helped me with my ideas and gave me nothing but support.

SponPlague · 20-11-2007, 07:21 PM

What do the "mentors" make of all of this, I wonder?

C_steam · 20-11-2007, 07:44 PM

Jeez..................isn't it about time people learned that 'professional' means being business like and working to common objectives, whilst 'teamwork' means putting differences aside and working well alongside people that you don't otherwise get on with.

It's not possible, I think, for anyone here to apportion blame. I've always got on OK with Del and I think I've met Wayne once or twice. Both seem capable individuals who together could have taken this thing forward.

maybe - and I'm out on a limb here - they should consider that they have BOTH been set up in some fashion.

ANOTHER OWN GOAL FOR UKIP.

Country to save? I'm not even sure they could save stamps.

ryansoton · 20-11-2007, 09:05 PM

I said at the start that the wrong people were heading ukip youth, i did not mean Del but i will now reveal that i was meaning Wayne HArling.

My whole experience of Wayne is that he will throw his toys out of his pram when he does not get what he wants, like asked to take part in a seperate forum to discuss the youth movement.

I said at the start that we needed elected leaders and elected council of the youth movement and because no-one was elected is partly the reason why we find ourselves in the current position.

ryansoton · 20-11-2007, 09:09 PM

gives a whole new meaning to get behind your leader as it easier to stab him in the back doesnt it

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Michael Heaver Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 393 Party: UKIP	As a member of the Youth Council I would like to state that I, personally, always found Del to be professional and great mentor who always helped me with my ideas and gave me nothing but support. Last edited by Michael Heaver; 20-11-2007 at 07:13 PM.

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C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Anwhere far away from the cabalistas Posts: 7,460	Jeez..................isn't it about time people learned that 'professional' means being business like and working to common objectives, whilst 'teamwork' means putting differences aside and working well alongside people that you don't otherwise get on with. It's not possible, I think, for anyone here to apportion blame. I've always got on OK with Del and I think I've met Wayne once or twice. Both seem capable individuals who together could have taken this thing forward. maybe - and I'm out on a limb here - they should consider that they have BOTH been set up in some fashion. ANOTHER OWN GOAL FOR UKIP. Country to save? I'm not even sure they could save stamps. __________________ -------------------------------------------------- Users on ignore list: None. I've got to have people to laugh at. Cowardly Posters* list: BobFM, Bellatrix.*People who post personal insults then refuse to reply .

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20-11-2007, 05:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
wayneanthonyharling Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barnsley Posts: 79 Party: UKIP	I mentioned many times to Del on the phone that we need to create some institutions for an election. Everytime I asked him this he dismissed it as pointless. Probably because he knows that an elected council would have the democratic legitimacy that would have more power in decision making than him. I am very much for elections. Afterwhich, I would hope that the council in place following the elections would try to put this whole Delroy issue behind them as it is holding things back.

20-11-2007, 05:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,636	Wayne, Could you please tell me who is now in overall control of Young Independence? Is it you? Alex

20-11-2007, 05:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
wayneanthonyharling Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barnsley Posts: 79 Party: UKIP	Young Independence is in the hands of the Youth Council as a whole, not any one individual.

20-11-2007, 05:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,636	Fair enough. You're the "executive" chairman of that council, right? So issue some strong "requests" that the council organise some elections.

20-11-2007, 07:21 PM	#17 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 2,175	What do the "mentors" make of all of this, I wonder?

20-11-2007, 09:05 PM	#19 (permalink)
ryansoton Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southampton Posts: 751 Party: Other	I said at the start that the wrong people were heading ukip youth, i did not mean Del but i will now reveal that i was meaning Wayne HArling. My whole experience of Wayne is that he will throw his toys out of his pram when he does not get what he wants, like asked to take part in a seperate forum to discuss the youth movement. I said at the start that we needed elected leaders and elected council of the youth movement and because no-one was elected is partly the reason why we find ourselves in the current position.

20-11-2007, 09:09 PM	#20 (permalink)
ryansoton Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southampton Posts: 751 Party: Other	gives a whole new meaning to get behind your leader as it easier to stab him in the back doesnt it