tito

Quite, your Grauniad and Euro-dependent newspapers would love you to believe we are hitler-esque. (Awful papers, by the way. I've given up on most of the mainstream media now, good blogs are far more reliable)

Our leader is a self confessed libertarian. The "Independence" in UKIP means independence for the individual, and of course for the country outside of the EU. We oppose the EU because it is a pesticide to the tree of liberty, because it is undemocratic and because it is wasteful and inefficient. Not because we hate Europeans.

I realise you have come to the board hoping to find some of the far-right "Cranks and Gadflies" your newspapers tell you dominate our party, but it would be nice if you could do some research into our Libertarian principles first.

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g hall

Not in Oxford
Public transport is an infrastructure best run by the state but tightly controlled so there are no "Spanish practices"

Free market would cherry pick the best (profitable) routes and leave the rest which is not good - look at the current situation in the Royal Mail because of this

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tito

I think you will find Royal Mail is in such a state because of the quasi-monopoly. As soon as some contenders have started to come into play (alternative services and of course, the Internet) they get brought to their knees.

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Westcountryman

Agree with G hall in some respects. The government should step in where there's market failure.

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theotherview

the govt should step in where there is failure?

so, i run a business - badly, but its ok, the govt will help the business out?

is that what your saying?

Zak64

Welcome to the forum Theotherview, always nice to see someone who, if you'll forgive me for saying so, seems to come from a different part of the political spectrum to UKIP. Nice to see you are obviously open minded enough to check thing out for yourself and not rely on Guardianista style stereotypes UKIP. No, we most definately are not Hitleresque.

Sure the Lib/Lab/Con tricksters would love to have you believe we are all a bunch of swivel eyed, frothy mouthed, foreigner hating wierdos! But I'm not very bright, so I can't work out why they would want the public to believe that!

(If you don't allready know UKIP has a strict anti discriminatory policy; has done since the day it was founded. Check out clause 2 of UKIPs constitution on the official website)

IMO I would say that UKIP originally started ostensibly a political party, but realistically was a pressure group attempting to force the issue of EU withdrawral onto the political agenda. Over time it has matured into a fully fledged political party, but not without a few internal problems to sort out.

BTW, my signature line under this post is me having a sly pop at the sort of trendy lefty who shouts "Racist!" every time the "I" word is mentioned. We need to have serious debates about immigration, the EU, social cohesion, lack of democratic accountability, crime etc. The Lib/Lab/Con parties are so close together politically that currently this is not happening. Consequently the public are becomming seriously disenfranchised from the political process. I believe this to be dangerous.

At least UKIP are offering voters a chance to vote on matters the main three would rather not broach.

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steve fowler

Yes welcome to the forum Theotherview and put it this way if myself as a ukip member and all the other ukip members and any one who believes in Great Britain on this forum if we wanted to live under a dictatorship we'd vote for the EU and ukip would not be around at all, plus dont listen to the Lib/Lab/Con they do nothing but lie to us all day long.

theotherview

zak,

thank you also for taking the time to reply!

its very pleasing to hear that the immigration system you (ukip) is one that echo my thoughts.

i hope that the masses of ukip-forum now know that my attitude to your party is open minded, now that i have heard what some of you has to say!

it just seems the 'others' (mainly lib's) seem to offer an 'easier' vote -its safer to vote for them, and as you say, ukip addresses issues that perhaps would be considered taboo by others.

i saw some leaflets with comments like 'we wont allow camera's in bins' amongst other such phrases, it seems these comments immediately alienate my peers as 'we' deem it useless, almost missing the core values of ukip altogether and focusing on other issues. i cannot remember the specifics of the leaflet i read, but it was left behind by myself and peers.

i'd still like to hear more comments on the co2 issues, while the debate to its cause/global warming is a whole topic in its own, emissions do need to be reduced globally.

taxes have been mentioned, my friends and i (well, i used to before starting my own business) all pay or have paid approx 600-800 a month in taxes & ni, while this may not be a super large salary, its quite a significant sum to be given to the govt, along with council tax and road tax. if ukip wish to reduce tax, how would the current infrastructure cope with reduced income?

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theotherview

steve fowler

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it just seems the 'others' (mainly lib's) seem to offer an 'easier' vote -its safer to vote for them, and as you say, ukip addresses issues that perhaps would be considered taboo by others.

Thats how they trick you into voting for them they tell you what you want to hear and once you have voted for them then they ignore you altogether.

They try as much as possible to stop any useful information from ukip getting to the public as it make the main three lose votes.

theotherview

looking with open eyes, if the 'other' parties 'trick' us into believing that they're right but then lie to us, why should your average joe believe ukip - especially considering the pork pies fed to us by labour / conservatives over the past decade?

ie, the age group of 25+somethings, c1 and above, dont vote, because none of them believe what is being said at all??

theotherview