UKIP: Europe sets up paramilitary police force

tito · 19-10-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Delors of de Jungle

A force dreamt up by the Portuguese Interior Minister, under the auspices of a treaty only signed by Portugal (though they may have gone to Holland to do it), that only consists of 180 Portuguese National Guards, that only Turkey (not an EU member) is interested in joining with Romania and Lithuania a bit interested in links with, that has an amateur website owned by a Portuguese film writer and that none of the major news services have even heard of.

Sounds to me like something that a serious political party might want to research a bit before making too much of it. In fact the word hoax seems to be forming in my mind for some reason.

Well how about you take another look you stupid, statist, EUphillic prat. Because within mere hours of you writing that, your beloved EU has given Eurogendfor authority to expand to 1,500,000 men. One and a half million.

It is too late to try and justify this stupid supra-national organisation now, if the last two days have told us anything it is that it is absolutely no good reasoning with you. Come back when you actually bother to think about the implications of this mess.

Delors of de Jungle · 20-10-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tito

your beloved EU has given Eurogendfor authority to expand to 1,500,000 men. One and a half million.

I would be very interested to see evidence of that. I would think it legally very dubious for the EU to give such authority to a body over which it has no authority.

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It is too late to try and justify this stupid supra-national organisation now,

Quite agree. It is a stupid, pointless and potentially dangerous waste of time and money. I see no reason though why my oppostion to it should prevent me from pointing out that it is also has been, to date, an abject failure.

I was wrong to say Eurogendfor was the idea of the Portuguese Interior Minister. The idea was first proposed by the French Defence Minister to an EU Council meeting in early 2005 and was rejected. The French, not wanting to so easily let a chance to wear macho uniforms and shiny boots go by, hawked the scheme around member states individually and got four takers. The organisation was formed on January 23rd 2006 and installed in its HQ in Italy and since that time it has gone precisely nowhere. I do wonder why, when the organisation has already been in existence for 18 months, this treaty signing: an attempted relaunch, publicity for the Portuguese presidency? I see they have "made themselves available" to the EU, but I wonder how the EU could legally deploy such an external police force in a member state.

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if the last two days have told us anything it is that it is absolutely no good reasoning with you.

As I have never had any discussion with you or any other member of this forum I take it you are referring to stupid, statist, EUphillic prats in general, rather than me in particular. On that basis I would say that the last two days have told you how to make ridiculously crass generalisations.

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Come back

I don't think I'll bother, thanks all the same.

spaman · 21-10-2007, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ModernUKIP

The Police in the UK are a civilian force. Tell me, are you keen on the idea of being subject to military police jurisdiction? Worse than that, subject to the Police force which the UK has no jurisdiction over?

How long before these are used to quell civil disrespect in the UK - strikers had better watch their backs...... and I suspect their code of conduct does not disallow them from dishing out what they consider appropriate punishment/restraint - do they have a code of conduct ?

....one step closer to living under Napoleonic law

devilskitchen · 22-10-2007, 05:10 AM

Technically, Britain cannot be a full signatory to EuroGendFor because we do not have a paramilitary police force.

However, we can be a "partner" should we wish to sign up, although the terms which we would be subject to are not defined in the EuroGendFor Treaty.

EuroGendFor is not under EU control at present, although a worrying precedent was set with the Treaty of Prum. Elaib has more.

g hall · 22-10-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by devilskitchen

Technically, Britain cannot be a full signatory to EuroGendFor because we do not have a paramilitary police force.

I wonder if we'll get one for Christmas ?

devilskitchen · 22-10-2007, 03:53 PM

Hmmm, I wonder if SOCPO (or whatever the hell that new police force is) counts...

Westcountryman · 22-10-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by devilskitchen

Hmmm, I wonder if SOCPO (or whatever the hell that new police force is) counts...

It's SOCA, and no - it's a civvie organisation.

22-10-2007, 05:10 AM	#14 (permalink)
devilskitchen Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London Posts: 418	Technically, Britain cannot be a full signatory to EuroGendFor because we do not have a paramilitary police force. However, we can be a "partner" should we wish to sign up, although the terms which we would be subject to are not defined in the EuroGendFor Treaty. EuroGendFor is not under EU control at present, although a worrying precedent was set with the Treaty of Prum. Elaib has more. __________________ Unio Europaea delenda est

22-10-2007, 03:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
devilskitchen Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London Posts: 418	Hmmm, I wonder if SOCPO (or whatever the hell that new police force is) counts... __________________ Unio Europaea delenda est

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