UKIP: UKIP says 'no' to more speed cameras

Blog Bot · 16-10-2007, 05:10 PM

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Proposals to impose 20 mph speed limits on thousands of residential streets policed by yet more speed cameras have been slammed by the UK Independence Party.

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Aardvark · 16-10-2007, 06:20 PM

About time to. The figures don't support 20mph cameras.

C_steam · 17-10-2007, 11:12 AM

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Proposals to impose 20 mph speed limits on thousands of residential streets policed by yet more speed cameras have been slammed by the UK Independence Party.

which is the issue - the speed or the cameras's?

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"Road safety is obviously important and safeguarding pedestrians, particularly vulnerable children, is paramount. But this latest idea from the Parliamentary Advisory Council for Transport safety is not the way to tackle the problem," said John Whittaker, chairman of UKIP.

"Young school children do not receive the same level of road safety training as they used to do. Let's scrap the trendy 'citizenship' classes and return to teaching our children invaluable road safety lessons, both as pedestrians and cyclists

True, road safety lessons would be a good idea but this from JW almost suggests that the driver has no responsibility - it's the victims fault.

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"Drivers may end up more concerned about keeping an eye on their speedometer than the road, which is plainly counterproductive," said Dr Whittaker, the party's North West Euro MP

if true, then true of all speed limits.

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"The citizens of this country are already the most watched by surveillance cameras in Europe. This is another way of raiding the pockets of motorists and reinforcing the government's nanny state attitude," he added.

No, it's a way of raiding the pockets of those who - basically - break the law. I personally don't want more speed camera's but if, applied sensibly in built up areas - say around schools, I would support them, providing that the income generated went, say, to providing extra-curricular road safety lessons and helping kids out of the school run culture onto bikes or walking.

In general, I support a 20 limit in built up areas, particularly around schools.

Aardvark · 17-10-2007, 07:36 PM

I support better education both for drivers and kids. We used to have a lot of safety messages on the TV, but the last time I watched they seemed to have disappeared.

Watching speedos is distracting. It is better to look ahead for hazards. My first driving instructor concentrated on hazard avoidance and perception of risks - kids playing, dogs on the loose. I hardly look at my speedo, but I've been blessed, thus far, with the ability to look ahead and have consequently not crashed into anyone on the open road (other than the guy who came on to my side of the road at short notice and deprived me of the option of avoidance).

If I get through life without being the cause of an accident then it will be a tribute to my instructor's perception.

g hall · 17-10-2007, 07:38 PM

C_Steam

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Proposals to impose 20 mph speed limits on thousands of residential streets policed by yet more speed cameras have been slammed by the UK Independence Party.
which is the issue - the speed or the cameras's?

I would the cameras as since they've been introduced the death rate on the roads , which was reducing, has plateaued

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"Road safety is obviously important and safeguarding pedestrians, particularly vulnerable children, is paramount. But this latest idea from the Parliamentary Advisory Council for Transport safety is not the way to tackle the problem," said John Whittaker, chairman of UKIP.

"Young school children do not receive the same level of road safety training as they used to do. Let's scrap the trendy 'citizenship' classes and return to teaching our children invaluable road safety lessons, both as pedestrians and cyclists
True, road safety lessons would be a good idea but this from JW almost suggests that the driver has no responsibility - it's the victims fault.

Many pedestrians and cyclist walk out without looking - I hope they don't drive like that but I suspect they do - The motorist is usually seen as a handy scapegoat - didn't the EU propose that any RTA would be automatically blameed on the motorist at one point

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"Drivers may end up more concerned about keeping an eye on their speedometer than the road, which is plainly counterproductive," said Dr Whittaker, the party's North West Euro MP
if true, then true of all speed limits.

Yep see Paul Smith at SafeSpeed

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"The citizens of this country are already the most watched by surveillance cameras in Europe. This is another way of raiding the pockets of motorists and reinforcing the government's nanny state attitude," he added.
No, it's a way of raiding the pockets of those who - basically - break the law. I personally don't want more speed camera's but if, applied sensibly in built up areas - say around schools, I would support them, providing that the income generated went, say, to providing extra-curricular road safety lessons and helping kids out of the school run culture onto bikes or walking.

In general, I support a 20 limit in built up areas, particularly around schools.

Do you get the feeling that many speed limits have been lowered over the past few years to enable more fines to raise money

20 outside schools yes during term time and at the correct time

Zak64 · 18-10-2007, 07:38 PM

G Hall wrote:

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Many pedestrians and cyclist walk out without looking - I hope they don't drive like that but I suspect they do - The motorist is usually seen as a handy scapegoat - didn't the EU propose that any RTA would be automatically blameed on the motorist at one point?

I'm not aware of an EU plan to introduce this sort of thing, but coming from them it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

What I do know is that some years ago the Dutch introduced a similar system whereby if a car and pedestrian/push bike/moped/motorcyle collided then it was automatically deemed the car driver's fault.

It actually worked quite well. For a while. The figures for deaths and injuries for the above fell quite markedly.

But invariably it lead to all sorts of silly legal scenarios. For example if a car driver was stationary at say a traffic light, and an inattentive motorcyclist rear ended them, then the poor old car driver was immediately at fault! After a vigorous public debate the law was abolished.

It was written about in motorcycling magazines here in the UK, and I remember discussing it with Dutch friends after it had been abolished.

If the EU ever had a plan to do something similar Holland is probably where they got the idea from.

16-10-2007, 05:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
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Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,556	About time to. The figures don't support 20mph cameras. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

17-10-2007, 07:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,556	I support better education both for drivers and kids. We used to have a lot of safety messages on the TV, but the last time I watched they seemed to have disappeared. Watching speedos is distracting. It is better to look ahead for hazards. My first driving instructor concentrated on hazard avoidance and perception of risks - kids playing, dogs on the loose. I hardly look at my speedo, but I've been blessed, thus far, with the ability to look ahead and have consequently not crashed into anyone on the open road (other than the guy who came on to my side of the road at short notice and deprived me of the option of avoidance). If I get through life without being the cause of an accident then it will be a tribute to my instructor's perception. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

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