Ethnic minorities now a fifth of pupils

Britannist · 27-09-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by girlfriday

we get so incensed by hoards of undesirable slavs!!
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What UKIP wants is: strict immigration controls - the UK in control of her borders and not the EU.

East europeans might be welcome in limited numbers and not when they deprive those born in the UK (including ethnic minorities of course) of jobs by offering to work longer for less with the taxpayer picking up part of the bill when British workers end up on the dole.

Anthony Butcher · 27-09-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by C_steam

Stating a fact is not racist.

Absolutely, but UKIP isn't stating the fact, it is re-publishing it for a purpose that I can't fathom. UKIP has been very selective in choosing this story.

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Originally Posted by C_steam

Being concerned that there is a high ethnic mix in this country is not racist.

I think that it is, although not if one is really talking about cultural mixes, rather than race.

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Originally Posted by C_steam

There are many reasons why increasing immigration into this country is not a 'good thing' -and most of those reasons are not racist either.

I agree. UKIP makes no mention of immigration in this statement, however. That is my point - the lack of any commentary leaves this wide open to interpretation.

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Originally Posted by C_steam

What you seem to be saying Tony is that any sign of concern over an issue like this is racist - you know that is not the case.

No, I am saying that UKIP has put the story on the front page of its website for a purpose. Anyone other than a well wisher will interpret this to mean that UKIP disapproves of a high racial mix in Britain, IMHO. In other words, regardless of the veracity of the statement itself, the intent of republishing it will be seen to reinforce UKIP's image as racist.

It's not a big issue, I just think that it is very careless from a party that is fighting against such an image.

Anthony Butcher · 27-09-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

Perhaps some people may have to live in the London or Birmingham to understand what it is like to have 600, 000 Poles come into the place they live.

OK, I missed the brief inclusion of 'eastern Europeans' in the list of 'Ethnic minorities' cited. Sorry, my mistake.

However, if anything this reinforces my point - UKIP rehashing this kind of story is only going to reinforce its racist reputation because it is such a delicate issue that is easily misinterpreted. I think that they should be very precise in what every statement that they issue on immigration. That certainly includes no longer quoting sensationalist newspaper articles.

ex-member · 27-09-2007, 09:02 PM

Why.pray,is it a delicate issue? Please issue your list of delicate issues.

tito · 27-09-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

My point is that I don't see what UKIP is hoping to achieve by quoting the paper. Are they saying that having 20% of the population from ethnic minorities is a bad thing that UKIP is against? This looks like an admission that UKIP is fundamentally racist, which I know it isn't.

UKIP is not a news source, it is a political party and every statement it puts out has an agenda. Someone must have thought that putting this article on the site in some way represents what UKIP is campaigning for or against.

Is this a nod and a wink to all the racists out there that UKIp is on the case?

Is it any wonder that so many people think that UKIP is a racist party?

That is the way I interpreted it. It seems like a subtle advertisement to those who may be considering the BNP. Or have followed the BNPs line of "UKIP can't have a sensible immigration policy cos there are blacks in it".

Britannist · 27-09-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

However, if anything this reinforces my point - UKIP rehashing this kind of story is only going to reinforce its racist reputation because it is such a delicate issue that is easily misinterpreted.

Anthony, you refer above to UKIP's alleged "racist reputation".

With whom has non-racist UKIP got a "racist reputation with" could I ask?

The sort of person, perhaps, who was (according to presenter Ian Collins on TalkSport radio early this morning) allegedly heckling the then Conservative leader William Hague with the word "racist" at a 2001 General Election campaign event in which Mr. Hague was delivering a speech on the subject of "24 hours to save the euro"?

It seems that a few europhiles might choose to direct ridiculous insults at some of those (whether in UKIP or not) who dare to try to stop their disgusting "EU integration project".

Britannist · 27-09-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

However, if anything this reinforces my point - UKIP rehashing this kind of story is only going to reinforce its racist reputation because it is such a delicate issue that is easily misinterpreted.

Anthony - if the article quoted on the official UKIP website "is only going to reinforce its racist reputation" could I ask what you think the article does to the reputation the Telegraph (the best-selling broadsheet weekday newspaper in the UK) who published the report (a report based on accurate figures)?

I haven't come across any complaints about the article on the Telegraph website, so far.

gimlet · 27-09-2007, 09:37 PM

Immigration is a hot subject. The government have failed and lost control. Where are the real jobs for our kids going to be? I think people have now had enough and are sick to death of weasel words and no action. Are UKIP going to be the party to inspire?

Britannist · 27-09-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tito

That is the way I interpreted it. It seems like a subtle advertisement to those who may be considering the BNP.

I am quite sure it is no such thing. If it is alright for the Telegraph to publish an article on the effects of immigration why shouldn't UKIP quote the article on its website?

UKIP is simply quoting briefly from an article about the effect of immigration, particularly in urban areas of England.

Concern about "unlimited immigration" helped UKIP win many votes at the last EU Election.

I take it, Tito, that, as a member of UKIP you want UKIP to gets lots of votes at the next EU Election too?

The only way UKIP will do this is by addressing the concerns of the voters.

Britannist · 27-09-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gimlet

Immigration is a hot subject. The government have failed and lost control. Where are the real jobs for our kids going to be? I think people have now had enough and are sick to death of weasel words and no action. Are UKIP going to be the party to inspire?

All opinion polls show that the British public are fed up with immigration (at least at the rate of the last decade).

Labour have given one million British Passports to foreigners in the last ten years despite a promise in its 1997 General Election Manifesto that it would do no such thing.

UKIP should be up there at the front demanding that Lie-bour (Labour) be punished at the polls for their deceit and broken promises on immigration.

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