Westcountryman

Not necessarily. There are those 'Orange Book' Lib Dims after all.

BBC NEWS | Politics | Lib Dems call for pro-market move

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Millennium3

I expect the calculations have been done very carefully.

Britannist

The Cameron-led Conservatives have lost vital votes to UKIP for the following reasons:

1. Perceived hostility of the Conservative leadership to grammar schools

2. The banning by David Cameron of any anti-EU MPs sitting in the Shadow Cabinet (although europhiles are welcome)

3. Ditching of the policy of the three previous Conservative leaders to pull the UK out of the damaging EU Common Fisheries Policy

4. The insulting of UKIP and UKIP members by David Cameron in a radio interview on 4th April last year

5. The promise of David Cameron to take the UK Conservatives out of the pro-euro EPP group in Brussels "in months not years" not being fulfilled

6. Promotion by David Cameron of key 'Conservative' europhiles into key positions on policy formulation committees

Millennium3

So should UKIP get behind Camaron's attempt to embarrass Brown into holding a referendum by insisting on a debate in the HOC and to give him a chance of winning the next election to get rid of the Scottish Raj?

kernow

I can't prove it one way or the other, all I do know is, if any Lib Dem voters don't know their party is very pro EU, then they must be as thick as a brick!

kernow

You're missing my point! I wouldn't vote for any pro EU party whatever their policies were. So I'm not expecting pro EU voters to vote for us regardless of what our policies are!

ANGLO-STAFFS

I know that you are not claiming "most" my word. (thought i would get that bit in first before you pick me up on it.

Do you think that most voters are aware of these six points?
1. They may be aware of this on/off for/ against grammar schools talk, but I doubt if this issue is important enough to convert many people.
The only other point that, (IMHO), most voters will know of is,,

4. I take it you mean the fruitcake comment? I don't really see that the Tory leader calling UKIP supporters playground names would shock many Tories into switching sides.
If this were true then when UKIP members slag off the BNP this should cause the UKIP support to move to the BNP.

ANGLO-STAFFS

Maybe it has!

Alex McKee

Fair enough, but I think you're missing Ind-UKIP's point. There are many people who do not agree with British membership of the EU who will not vote UKIP because we do not have policies on other issues.

Britannist

Some Conservative Party members who were thinking of quitting supporting the Conservatives (people who already vote UKIP in EU Elections) and ex-Conservative members will not have been pleased with David Cameron's criticisms of UKIP and may have decided to vote UKIP from that point onwards. Certainly there have been some high profile defections from the Conservative Party to UKIP in the period of time since David Cameron vilified UKIP.