Invitation to support Grassroots-democracy

gimlet · 02-08-2007, 06:37 PM

As a party we have failed to articulate a creditable vision of how our country will look with a UKIP administration. From immigration to housing, transport to health care, defence to employment, where are our detailed policies, which will make UKIP stand out, above the other parties and demand mass support from the public?

We cannot afford to be inactive; the changes promised by the leadership do not appear to have happened- where is the extra funding (or are we really down to our last £5000), where is the new web site? - We live in a multi-media age why have we not grasped its capabilities? We should be canvassing now with a full range of policies, whetting people's appetite for a democratic and free Britain, showing them that there is a viable alternative to the 3 socialist parties, and the benefits of freeing ourselves from the EU. We should be gaining members – we are not. It is time for the navel gazing to stop and the action to start.

Are you going to allow another staged election humiliation or are you going to help bring about the changes needed for success? If you care for your party then lend your support to Grassroots-democracy, and lets make this a real party for change.

You can add your support via the link in the supporters page.

http://www.grassroots-democracy.co.uk/

Millennium3 · 02-08-2007, 07:19 PM

Is the plan to obtain the support of the majority of UKIP members to force change on the leadership?

UKIP MAN · 02-08-2007, 07:29 PM

Bin there, done it, got the t-shirt, cost a fortune so good luck to you!!!

given up now..

gimlet · 02-08-2007, 07:51 PM

Is the plan to obtain the support of the majority of UKIP members to force change on the leadership?

To answer your question, the easiest route is to look at the www.grassroots-democracy.co.uk site, and if you have any questions then e-mail any of the individuals if anything appears unclear.

Millennium3 · 02-08-2007, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimlet

Is the plan to obtain the support of the majority of UKIP members to force change on the leadership?

To answer your question, the easiest route is to look at the www.grassroots-democracy.co.uk site, and if you have any questions then e-mail any of the individuals if anything appears unclear.

I'm sorry, it does not seem a too difficult question. The web site says that UKIP is the party to make the changes GR wants. It is for the UKIP leadership to decide how the party operates. The only way this might change whilst NF is leader is for him to agree with GR or GR performs a coup - this can only happen if the majority of members sign up to GR.

Since GR's objectives do not seem to correspond with NF's:

Is the plan to obtain the support of the majority of UKIP members to force change on the leadership?

Andrew Constantine · 02-08-2007, 08:23 PM

I agree that UKIP needs to reforn and change some of its ways and even its general look. Some of the ideas and proposals from this pressure group seem reasonable and the people behind it seem very sincere and committed to UKIP.

I wish these UKIP refomers good luck in their hopes for the party and if they bring some better behaviours and administration to the party, then it should help UKIP generally. As a second order issue, it should mkae it easier for UKIP to make electoral pacts with the English Democrats and other parties.

Andrew Constantine
A United England in a United Kingdom, free of the EU.

Millennium3 · 02-08-2007, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

I agree that UKIP needs to reforn and change some of its ways and even its general look. Some of the ideas and proposals from this pressure group seem reasonable and the people behind it seem very sincere and committed to UKIP.

I wish these UKIP refomers good luck in their hopes for the party and if they bring some better behaviours and administration to the party, then it should help UKIP generally. As a second order issue, it should mkae it easier for UKIP to make electoral pacts with the English Democrats and other parties.

Andrew Constantine
A United England in a United Kingdom, free of the EU.

Yes - I agree, but I think it would only be through a coup that changes will take place.

devilskitchen · 04-08-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Denis Brookes

Once achieved, we shall have a Party which is strong, moral and a fitting vehicle to carry the aspirations of the British people.

Nope, you've lost me there. It was the word "moral", you see. Whose morals, precisely? Your Christian ones? And am I going to join a group so grounded in reality that the majority of the founders believe in an invisible friend in the sky? No.

Oh yes, and there's no way I would join any movement that counts Petrina amongst its supporters.

tito · 04-08-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by devilskitchen

Nope, you've lost me there. It was the word "moral", you see. Whose morals, precisely? Your Christian ones? And am I going to join a group so grounded in reality that the majority of the founders believe in an invisible friend in the sky? No.

Oh yes, and there's no way I would join any movement that counts Petrina amongst its supporters.

I was silently thinking that, but I do like Toby Micklethwait.

Grassroots seems to be a collective of socially authoritarian people. Perhaps you could start a similar one in conjunction with libertarianUK that seeks to push the party closer to socially and economically libertarian policy?

mkpdavies · 04-08-2007, 02:45 PM

Grassroots is about one thing only. Returning UKIP back to its membership.

It's probably too late for me, but while I'm still here, I'm going to support them.

02-08-2007, 06:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
gimlet Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Shropshire Posts: 824	Invitation to support Grassroots-democracy As a party we have failed to articulate a creditable vision of how our country will look with a UKIP administration. From immigration to housing, transport to health care, defence to employment, where are our detailed policies, which will make UKIP stand out, above the other parties and demand mass support from the public? We cannot afford to be inactive; the changes promised by the leadership do not appear to have happened- where is the extra funding (or are we really down to our last £5000), where is the new web site? - We live in a multi-media age why have we not grasped its capabilities? We should be canvassing now with a full range of policies, whetting people's appetite for a democratic and free Britain, showing them that there is a viable alternative to the 3 socialist parties, and the benefits of freeing ourselves from the EU. We should be gaining members – we are not. It is time for the navel gazing to stop and the action to start. Are you going to allow another staged election humiliation or are you going to help bring about the changes needed for success? If you care for your party then lend your support to Grassroots-democracy, and lets make this a real party for change. You can add your support via the link in the supporters page. http://www.grassroots-democracy.co.uk/

02-08-2007, 08:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 912 Party: Free England Party	Grassroots Democracy I agree that UKIP needs to reforn and change some of its ways and even its general look. Some of the ideas and proposals from this pressure group seem reasonable and the people behind it seem very sincere and committed to UKIP. I wish these UKIP refomers good luck in their hopes for the party and if they bring some better behaviours and administration to the party, then it should help UKIP generally. As a second order issue, it should mkae it easier for UKIP to make electoral pacts with the English Democrats and other parties. Andrew Constantine A United England in a United Kingdom, free of the EU.

04-08-2007, 02:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Grassroots is about one thing only. Returning UKIP back to its membership. It's probably too late for me, but while I'm still here, I'm going to support them. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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02-08-2007, 07:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,184	Is the plan to obtain the support of the majority of UKIP members to force change on the leadership?

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UKIP MAN Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,897	Bin there, done it, got the t-shirt, cost a fortune so good luck to you!!! given up now..

02-08-2007, 07:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
gimlet Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Shropshire Posts: 824	Is the plan to obtain the support of the majority of UKIP members to force change on the leadership? To answer your question, the easiest route is to look at the www.grassroots-democracy.co.uk site, and if you have any questions then e-mail any of the individuals if anything appears unclear.