Westcountryman

They had every right to 'cart him away', it's an AO under S.25 of PACE.

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mkpdavies

Not what I call freedom.

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It's quite simple really, it's a law to stop people giving false details to the Police.

It's called the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, and it's been around since 1984.

No doubt the power to arrest for this now comes from the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005.

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mkpdavies

1984 eh. Excellent time to introduce such a freedom busting law.

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You believe it's a fundamental right to lie to the Police?

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mkpdavies

Staying quite isn't lying.

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No, but here's a scenario for you.

Someone is loitering outside the local post office, the post master is becoming suspicious, so he calls the Police. The Police turn up, and try to figure out who they are, and what they're doing, but they won't tell them, they stay quiet. Now, the loiterer may know that he has no ill intention, but the Police don't. In fact, by staying quiet the loiterer is probably just affirming their suspicions.

So since they won't take 30 seconds to explain who they are and what they're up to, the Police have to find out who they are the hard way - arrest them and take them down to the station.

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mkpdavies

That's the price of freedom.

The government should own you or have any power to tell you do or say, unless you hurt others and are proven to do so. If that means by the hard way, then so be it.

That way the Police would have more respect as servants of the public and more people WOULD be willing to come forward and help them, instead of sneering at them like they were the enemy and calling them pigs.

Putting cages around football fans was supposed stop people piling onto the pitch. All it did do is make people act more like animals.


Fundamental trust in people would go a long way to wiping out many of the social issues now.

I for one am more tempted to be an outlaw by the day.

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I sought some clarification on this, here's the response I got below:

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I disagree slightly with your scenario - the Police often do things the hard way but that does not mean they have to. I sometimes think they cause themselves lots of problems and the paperwork that comes with it due to a failure to exercise a little common sense.

Of course if they walked the streets instead of surrendering them to the drug dealers, and if they got to know the people they were policing instead of hiding in their Police Station fortresses then things would be much better.

But it is not really their fault because they are not paid or chosen to think but to uphold the law without fear or favour - and because of that it is asking for trouble to give them ever increasing powers of arrest. They have been badly misled.