UKIP and the Monarchy

mkpdavies · 14-06-2007, 01:09 PM

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You are trying to politicise a non political position.

Rubbish. I am not saying she should have any political power. The only power she could have is influence and she chooses to allow her country to die, rather than use it.

Cowardly at best. Treacherous at worst. If she is frightened of Tony Blair declaring war on her, because she dared state an opinion in a supposedly free country, then cowardly is the best term.

However, I suspect she has probably been assured her and her family are kept in a position and doesn't want to ruin that. Not unlike all the pathetic MP's we have who do as they are told, to maintain their careers.

They use the excuse of party loyalty and not being allowed to speak out too.

A coward/traitor queen ruling over a bunch of coward MP's and a coward populace.

No wonder we are being done up like kippers.

Ian C · 14-06-2007, 01:14 PM

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A coward/traitor queen ruling over a bunch of coward MP's and a coward populace

Bit OTT..............

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she has fulled all her role allows her to do, to counsel, to advice and to warn she is not permitted to do anything else

She has not responded to my Petition of March 2007.

mkpdavies · 14-06-2007, 01:20 PM

Your right, I'll amend it.

A coward/traitor queen ruling over a bunch of coward/traitor MP's and a coward/idiot populace

Fairer?

rjt · 14-06-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

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You are trying to politicise a non political position.

Rubbish. I am not saying she should have any political power. The only power she could have is influence and she chooses to allow her country to die, rather than use it.

Cowardly at best. Treacherous at worst. If she is frightened of Tony Blair declaring war on her, because she dared state an opinion in a supposedly free country, then cowardly is the best term.

However, I suspect she has probably been assured her and her family are kept in a position and doesn't want to ruin that. Not unlike all the pathetic MP's we have who do as they are told, to maintain their careers.

They use the excuse of party loyalty and not being allowed to speak out too.

A coward/traitor queen ruling over a bunch of coward MP's and a coward populace.

No wonder we are being done up like kippers.

But Matt she does speak out, she has regular meetings with ministers where she exercises her consitutional right to advise, caution and if needed warn. The moment she goes beyond that she gets involved in politics.

I dont think she is frightened by Tony Blair, she has after all seen off 9 PMS before him and will probably still be arround when the next one coems to offer his resignation.

The reason we are being doen up by a bunch of kippers is that the majority of thsoe who bother to vote put europhiles in power. No other reason.

mkpdavies · 14-06-2007, 01:40 PM

She isn't clear enough and she doesn't make it clear to the people.

Sorry, just because she is the Queen doesn't excuse her from responsibility. Indeed, she is one of the people who has the power to really do something about it.

Where are the Jimmy Goldsmiths? Where are the people who have all the cards?

Maybe they know something we don't. Maybe they are scared.

tito · 14-06-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

She isn't clear enough and she doesn't make it clear to the people.

Sorry, just because she is the Queen doesn't excuse her from responsibility. Indeed, she is one of the people who has the power to really do something about it.

Where are the Jimmy Goldsmiths? Where are the people who have all the cards?

Maybe they know something we don't. Maybe they are scared.

The Queen should certainly not voice her opinion. Like it or not, the Europhiles got in through democracy.

What if UKIP formed a government under a personally Europhile Queen. Then she started making speeches about how UKIP are traitors and we need the EU.

Would you be impressed? Because it would certainly sway the populace.

rjt · 14-06-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

She isn't clear enough and she doesn't make it clear to the people.

Sorry, just because she is the Queen doesn't excuse her from responsibility. Indeed, she is one of the people who has the power to really do something about it.

Where are the Jimmy Goldsmiths? Where are the people who have all the cards?

Maybe they know something we don't. Maybe they are scared.

It is part of her Responsibilty as queen to be politically neturel and not be seen to be in conflict with the government that is the oppositions job.

I hope you are not comparing the queen to a fool like Jimmy Goldsmith a commited Europhile who supported Ted Heath up to the hilt in the 70s and then tried to convince everyone that his Pro EU stance was a terrible self deception.

On the day Ted Heath was booted out by Maggie and the Tory Party he told heath that this was a tragic day for Europe.

mkpdavies · 14-06-2007, 01:55 PM

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The Queen should certainly not voice her opinion. Like it or not, the Europhiles got in through democracy.

What if UKIP formed a government under a personally Europhile Queen. Then she started making speeches about how UKIP are traitors and we need the EU.

Would you be impressed? Because it would certainly sway the populace.

I would much rather people speak their minds, even if that isn't what I want to hear. I would know exactly where I stood then.

mkpdavies · 14-06-2007, 01:58 PM

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I hope you are not comparing the queen to a fool like Jimmy Goldsmith a commited Europhile who supported Ted Heath up to the hilt in the 70s and then tried to convince everyone that his Pro EU stance was a terrible self deception.

Bang goes your credibility. He may have been a fool to start with, but boy did he make up for it.

The bloke was a hero in the end. He realised he had been conned, way before the vast majority of the British public and then threw huge cash and personal effort into undoing it.

If you don't realise that, then you sir are the fool.

rjt · 14-06-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

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I hope you are not comparing the queen to a fool like Jimmy Goldsmith a commited Europhile who supported Ted Heath up to the hilt in the 70s and then tried to convince everyone that his Pro EU stance was a terrible self deception.

Bang goes your credibility. He may have been a fool to start with, but boy did he make up for it.

The bloke was a hero in the end. He realised he had been conned, way before the vast majority of the British public and then threw huge cash and personal effort into undoing it.

If you don't realise that, then you sir are the fool.

And succesfully confused and caused damage to the anti EU cause when he stood Referndum Party candiadtes against UKIp ones in 1997 what good did that do, if he was a true patriot ( and he didnt even live here most of the times) he would have trown his weight behind UKIP.

Oh and he was a liar as well and I dont like or trust liars.

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	She isn't clear enough and she doesn't make it clear to the people. Sorry, just because she is the Queen doesn't excuse her from responsibility. Indeed, she is one of the people who has the power to really do something about it. Where are the Jimmy Goldsmiths? Where are the people who have all the cards? Maybe they know something we don't. Maybe they are scared. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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