Anthony Butcher

I don't really understand how UKIP has any part in this. If a significant group of Tory MPs wanted to form a new party, they would be better off starting afresh without all of the UKIP baggage and then allowing UKIP members to join them instead. I really can't see what UKIP has to offer them that they couldn't just take anyway.

mkpdavies

I think that's basically what he was saying. A reverse take over, gaining an instant set of activists, but more to the point, removing the first obstacle such a break away group would need to. Having UKIP still getting in the way would be the last thing they wanted, especially if the platform of policies were similar.

In reality, it would be a complete erasing of UKIP from the scene, ready for a new force to take over. I would imagine they would hope the fractured right would then start to come together around their base.

Wet dream for sure. Won't happen because career comes first.

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kernow

Agreed! This the actual fact of the matter!

TonyG

Unless they are in danger of getting thrashed in the election because of 'Call me Dave's' incompetence.

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Populist Lee

So what you're really saying is that those people who can draw blood should chuck it all over and fall in behind UKIP and NF.

That is the most preposterous suggestion I have ever read on this Forum.

kernow

[quote="Populist Lee"]So what you're really saying is that those people who can draw blood should chuck it all over and fall in behind UKIP and NF.

That is the most preposterous suggestion I have ever read on this Forum.[/quote]

I don't think it preposterous at all! (unless of course your hatred of NF has clouded your judgement!) I'm signed up to pressure groups like Bruges and BOO and basically they are "talking shops", who in my opinion have achieved very little in the Anti EU movement. UKIP are streets ahead with getting the message across to the mainstream media! In my opinion all Anti EU groups should declare for UKIP! Nobody can put their hand on their heart and claim to be anti EU and yet still remain a supporter of the Lib/Lab/Con!

TonyG

You presume that UKIP has sufficient credibility for that to happen.
You are also giving credibility to the notion that UKIP is a one issue party which they are supposedly trying not to be!

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Bluemerle

I for one would back a breakaway Tory Party, and I know many Tory supporters who would as well.

UKIP will never become the leading party in British politics, it is much more realistic for those unhappy Tory MPs to break away and form a new group with others who are also unhappy with the way things are headed.

The Cornerstone Group would seem to be the most likely group to form an anti-EUsceptic Party, there are some very good MPs, who have put their careers on the line by opposing Cameron.

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Populist Lee

[quote="kernow"]My insider's knowledge of NF has sharpened my judgement, my friend.

Why should the BWMA, for example, have anything to do with NF?
After all, NF won't have anything to do with the BWMA.

If only you UKIPPERS knew the reason for that!

Tom Wilde

I think you may well have put your finger on it there. That would indeed be a very strong incentive for any breakaway group of eurosceptic Tories to do a deal with UKIP.

If on the other hand their incentive for joining UKIP was to benefit from UKIP's activist base, media recognition etc, then they would be making a big mistake to try to rebrand UKIP as the 'Real Conservatives' or similar.

I agree with Stathan that UKIP appeals to a much wider group of people than just disillusioned Tories, and many Ukippers would be quite unhappy to suddenly find themselves in a "Tory Party MkII".

If a bunch of Tory eurosceptic MPs decide to join UKIP, we should welcome them with open arms - it would be a fantastic opportunity for UKIP. It could well be the big break we've been waiting for. Of course if there were many of them then they would be bound to gain an influence over UKIP policy and tactics. But Nigel would be wise be make clear to them in any initial discussions that UKIP's name, its 100% opposition to EU membership and its broadly libertarian orientation aren't negotiable.