prober

Why not join Greens and work from the inside to turn them clear cut Eurosceptic. they are a much bigger party than UKIP in terms of elected seats & influence and the case is wide open for Euroscepticism and Green agenda to be naturally compatible ( eg CAP nonsense & EU destruction of fish stocks due to forced dumping of fish at sea) . You have to ask yourself which party is more likely to change its ethos behaviour and effectiveness due to member pressure on the Leadership.... Greens or UKIP ?

Niall Warry

I'm sorry but I could no more vote Green than fly to the moon

Their main ethos is based on an unproven presumption - that is that Climate Change ( the old Global Warming is increasingly NOT used now even by the BBC :roll: ) is man made.

Anyway back to the thread folks.

mkpdavies

Greens are not primarily about the religion of MMGW.

They are about looking after the environement and it's dwellers. Yes many will use MMGW as an excuse to further their agenda, yes some of them seem to not include "humans" as important dwellers of the domain, but there are many greenies who are sensible and just want a nice place for us all to live, that is sustainable.

While being suspicous of the political greenies at the top, who have their own agendas a lot of the time, I have more time for real Greens than most of the other parties.

When they start trying to hijack green for big government, control and other issues, then I single those kind of people out as frauds.

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Tom Wilde

The Greens have seats and influence in the Scottish Parliament, and one in the London Assembly. They have far more local councillors than us, and focus their local council/MP election efforts better on their strong areas. On the other hand, we have far more MEPs than them, about three times as many party members, and two members of the House of Lords compared to their one. I think UKIP is slightly ahead, overall, but the Greens have some serious strengths.

The Green Party used to be quite unambiguously eurosceptic. I know people who voted for it in the 1994 euro elections simply because it was the only eurosceptical choice. More recently however it has watered down its euroscepticism considerably under pressure from Green parties in other EU states,

You never read about the Greens' leadership rows and splits after their near-success in the 1994 euro elections? They nearly tore their party apart for good, and it took them years to rebuild afterwards. Leadership problems and internal rows aren't the exclusive preserve of UKIP.

Niall Warry

If this thread is to continue shouldn't we get back to how our MEPs are performing. :roll:
If I was writing their reports I'd say 'not good enough , must pay attention more to the detail and should work alot harder.' :evil:

tito

More news of how UKIP MEPs are still pointing out injustices:

http://ukip.org/ukip_news/gen12.php?t=1&id=3048

Niall Warry

Don't make me laugh Tito how on earth has a discussion on mobile phone charges going to help the UK leave the EU. If tis is the best ourMEPs can do then they prove how useless they all are. :evil:

tito

It isn't. But MEPs, let alone just 10 of them, don't have the power to get us out of the EU.
This is all MEPs have power to do.

Niall Warry

I agree they can achieve very little in Brussels which is why they should spend more time in the UK. :roll:

tito

Right; finally. A positive suggestion.

You believe our MEPs should stay in the UK? On some levels I agree.

However, the majority of the party does not want this.

I personally think the odd parliamentary criticism does far more for gathering UKIP support than to have them knocking on doors.