UKIP Deputy Leader welcomes new deal in Northern Ireland

Tom Wilde · 04-06-2007, 09:02 PM

In centuries past (up until WW1, in fact) compromise was generally thought to be a particularly British virtue. If we are now going to start interpreting every negotiated peace treaty as "being bombed into submission", then this country is going to be a radioactive wasteland in 50 years!

brian lee · 04-06-2007, 10:03 PM

The direct involvement of the Republic into Northern Ireland affairs goes back to 1985 when Margaret Thatcher signed the Anglo-Irish Agreement with Garret Fitzgerald.

Opinon at the time was that she was trying to contain the Northern Ireland violence and prevent it spreading to places like Glasgow, Liverpool and Birmingham.

The agreement suited the vanity of succeeding Irish premiers but had little effect on the ordinary people inside 'the Pale', who constituted the bulk of the population of the Republic.

The civil war was a long time over and the majority of the people of the Republic saw themselves as having nothing in common with either side of the Northern Catholic/Protestant divide. Things have changed since the Brits ruled the Irish peasants. There is now a massive monied class who have set their sights on the rest of the EU. They can't afford to have a million squabbling northerners interfering with their businesses back home. The desire for a united Holy Catholic Ireland is long gone. Having plenty of Euros is the current religion. Keeping the troubles in the north suits the Republic a well as the UK.

On the question of why Sinn Fein turned to politics, I think you can thank George Bush. (About the only thing you can thank him for.) In his war against terrorism he stopped the money supply from America that was sustaining the bombing campaign.

Britannist · 04-06-2007, 11:47 PM

Ahern, Prime Minister of the Irish Republic is a disgrace. He has abandoned the ancient Roman Catholic (RC) Church of Ireland in favour of his EU masters instead.

The fact that it appears he is to remain as Head of Government of the Irish Republic does not please me.

It is time committed RC people in the Irish Republic spoke out against these europhiles who seek to turn their Catholic land into an EU-controlled statelet.

Hereward77 · 05-06-2007, 04:35 PM

The Dublin government has always been a tool of powers hostile to freedom, i.e. Germany, Russia and now the EU.

Britannist · 05-06-2007, 07:27 PM

I would like to see an anti-EU party do well in the Irish Republic - and, obviously, I don't mean SIN Fein (who are reputed to be anti-EU).

David Agnew · 16-06-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

In centuries past (up until WW1, in fact) compromise was generally thought to be a particularly British virtue.

If you found someone attempting to rape your wife or burgle your house, would you practice what you preach and compromise with them?

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Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Ahern, disgrace, Irish Republic, Roman Catholic, EU Ahern, Prime Minister of the Irish Republic is a disgrace. He has abandoned the ancient Roman Catholic (RC) Church of Ireland in favour of his EU masters instead. The fact that it appears he is to remain as Head of Government of the Irish Republic does not please me. It is time committed RC people in the Irish Republic spoke out against these europhiles who seek to turn their Catholic land into an EU-controlled statelet.

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Hereward77 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,159	The Dublin government has always been a tool of powers hostile to freedom, i.e. Germany, Russia and now the EU. __________________ "The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in history." David Rockefeller, New York Times, August 10, 1973

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04-06-2007, 09:02 PM	#41 (permalink)
Tom Wilde Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London. Posts: 2,750	In centuries past (up until WW1, in fact) compromise was generally thought to be a particularly British virtue. If we are now going to start interpreting every negotiated peace treaty as "being bombed into submission", then this country is going to be a radioactive wasteland in 50 years!

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brian lee Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South Essex Posts: 611	The direct involvement of the Republic into Northern Ireland affairs goes back to 1985 when Margaret Thatcher signed the Anglo-Irish Agreement with Garret Fitzgerald. Opinon at the time was that she was trying to contain the Northern Ireland violence and prevent it spreading to places like Glasgow, Liverpool and Birmingham. The agreement suited the vanity of succeeding Irish premiers but had little effect on the ordinary people inside 'the Pale', who constituted the bulk of the population of the Republic. The civil war was a long time over and the majority of the people of the Republic saw themselves as having nothing in common with either side of the Northern Catholic/Protestant divide. Things have changed since the Brits ruled the Irish peasants. There is now a massive monied class who have set their sights on the rest of the EU. They can't afford to have a million squabbling northerners interfering with their businesses back home. The desire for a united Holy Catholic Ireland is long gone. Having plenty of Euros is the current religion. Keeping the troubles in the north suits the Republic a well as the UK. On the question of why Sinn Fein turned to politics, I think you can thank George Bush. (About the only thing you can thank him for.) In his war against terrorism he stopped the money supply from America that was sustaining the bombing campaign.