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Old 19-05-2007, 07:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Default Europhile and Irish republican influence in Stormont deal

Present for the photocall marking the agreement of the DUP-SIN Fein coalition at Stormont earlier this month:

Aherne (Prime Minister of the Irish Republic and committed europhile).

Peter Hain MP (Northern Ireland/Welsh Secretary) - europhile political opportunist formerly a member of the leftist pro-EU liberals (now Liberal 'Democrats'). Hain has supported for decades the aim of putting Northern Ireland - against its will - into the Irish Republic.

McGuinness of SIN Fein - leftist republican (i.e. anti-UK).

Blair - committed europhile who was obsessed with trying to kill the British Pound (Sterling). Got the EU Amsterdam Treaty passed. Too scared to call a referendum on EU Constitution version 1 (especially after the French and Dutch rejected it). Fought at least one General Election as a Labour candidate opposed to Northern Ireland being part of the UK.

Dr. Ian Paisley MP - Unionist (i.e. pro-UK - leader of the DUP). Against the EU except possibly as a 'no strings attached' free trade area. Opposed to the euro, EU Constitution and all moves to 'European Integration'.

* So that's one person against the EU out of the above five - and the same person against the EU just happens to the be the same person (and only one of the five) who supports the Union of Northern Ireland with Great Britain.

The question is - how much of this agreement (of Dr. Paisley's DUP to govern with SIN Fein at Stormont) is the result of Unionists in Northern Ireland being forced by British and Irish europhile anti-Unionists to govern with SIN Fein or face decisions being made over their heads instead by Irish republicans and UK europhile politicians and civil servants through the North-South council (a hideous structure which is part of the Trimble-backed Good Friday Agreement).
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I suspect a lot of Cherie's Scouse roots helped push this deal through
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How can UKIP come out in support of this agreement?

Dont get me wrong I am pleased that we now have peace in NI but at what cost to the English taxpayer? Some figures i have seen workout at over £50k per household and they have told our British government they want more!

That picture of them all laughing was the most surreal one I have seen for ages....could anyone spot an Englishman having any say in the matter...?

Its about time we heard some news about UKIP standing up for the people of England.

English patriots need to start uniting on the fight against the democratic inequality affecting all the people of England within the UK and within Europe before it is too late...time is running out my freinds and we are all getting older!
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Dr. Ian Paisley MP - Unionist (i.e. pro-UK - leader of the DUP). Against the EU except possibly as a 'no strings attached' free trade area. Opposed to the euro, EU Constitution and all moves to 'European Integration'.

* So that's one person against the EU out of the above five - and the same person against the EU just happens to the be the same person (and only one of the five) who supports the Union of Northern Ireland with Great Britain.
Really? I wouldn't be so sure about that. And why hasn't he joined the Better Off Out campaign?

We are going to lose Ulster.
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I have a relative over in Ulster who was VERY involved in the Orange movement. He is now resigned to it. His last comment to me about it was "They can't outfight us, but they are going to outbreed us".
Sadly, the demographics appear to be supporting this.
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I have a relative over in Ulster who was VERY involved in the Orange movement. He is now resigned to it. His last comment to me about it was "They can't outfight us, but they are going to outbreed us".
Sadly, the demographics appear to be supporting this.
This has been said many times before.

A Roman Catholic majority in Northern Ireland does not mean a majority for the removal of Northern Ireland from the UK and its transfer into the Irish Republic.

The RC population in Northern Ireland doubled in the last century but support in Northern Ireland for the Union with Great Britain has remained at about the same level in the last 90 years.

The figures speak for themselves.
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Hereward 77 asked: ...why hasn't he (Dr. Paisley) joined the Better Off Out campaign?
Ask him, not me. You can e-mail him through the DUP website.
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I have a relative over in Ulster who was VERY involved in the Orange movement. He is now resigned to it. His last comment to me about it was "They can't outfight us, but they are going to outbreed us".
Sadly, the demographics appear to be supporting this.
Indeed, the Albanians in Kosovo and the "Palestinians" have used similar tactics to achieve their strategic objectives.
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Ask him, not me. You can e-mail him through the DUP website.
No thanks, Paisley has revealed his true colours. I have long been suspicious of the man.
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