komerad

All I did was point out that this guy's leadership bid was a huge distraction to UKIP Wales' preparation for the Assembly elections.

Richard Ski resigned last September - The assembly election took place 8 months later - I dont see the connection.

- Why was their so little coverage of my area (Mid & West Wales) during the Assembly election, bearing in mind that at the last general election you fielded candidates in 6 out of 8 of the individual constituencies?

(1) Again - what has this to do with a person who resigned 8 months ago?
(2) Finance perhaps?
(3) I notice you say "you" & not "we", as a supporter I thougth you would have said "we" - or am I being paranoid?

I leafletted for your guy in North Pembs, and there were 5 or 6 other people helping him as well. Where did all these people go?

[Go? I don't understand the question !

The candidate mentioned that there had been a dispute within the branch,

Which Branch was this?

He seemed determined to see things through, but since that election? Absolutely nothing? Why?

What exactly were you expecting?

tito

You? UKIP? Pembrokeshire?



I'm from the South side of Pembrokeshire.

The Wooden Spoon

Well at least no name calling this time!!!

As I said previously, I helped leaflet in the 2005 election in North Pembs, even though I live across the border in Ceredigion - (No UKIP candidate, just some oddball from Veritas), I seriously thought about joining UKIP after the 2004 Euros, but was put off by the then Ceredigion UKIP orgainser called Ian Sheldon. He really is a laughing stock locally, and anyone who gets involved with him, are in my opinion wasting their time. He joined Veritas, but he'd done too much damage locally to UKIP by then.

I offered to help the Pembrokeshire branch in 2004, at the time that Peter Mitchell was Chairman. There was a serious falling out resulting in a split. There was a meeting in Neyland which I went to, when some senior people came down to sort things out. Those branch members who were against Peter went over to form South Pembs. However, Peter was then diagnosed with terminal cancer, so John Carver came down to take things over and stand in his place as candidate. I remember him saying to me over a pint that the people who went to south pembs with one exception, refused to put up a candidate, so he found one, and, because the branch hadn't even bothered to set themselves up, he put her in place, with a view of maximusing coverage ahead of the next Assembly elections. (She pretty much worked alone of the branch).

Now back to the points raised. If you really think that it takes only 8 months to build for a national election campaign, no wonder you got the result you did. The impression I got was that in 2004, you were maxmising coverage to build for this year. But as I said, you've fallen back, and I think it's a crying shame. How can you make that ground up. fourth in 2004 in wales, but sixth or seventh in 2007.
I think I answered the other points raised, but stand by my question, what happened in West Wales? No activity at all since about Xmas 2005!
Progress? Oh come on!

tito

Wait...

Pembrokeshire branch?

:shock: :shock:

You are kidding me right?

South pembrokeshire?

Do these still exist?

The Wooden Spoon

That's exactly the point I made at the begining Tito!!! What's your nickname? Bullett!!!

There were UKIP branches covering both North and South Pembs, and Ceredigion, but they appeared to have fallen by the wayside, at the end of 2005.

Now do you understand what I am saying?

I've got the candidate's number somewhere. I'll dig it out and give him a call and get his take on it.

C_steam

Most of the problems in wales historically could be laid firmly at the door of the RO for wales whom richard sacked.

(bettr get my umbrella at this point.............)

The Wooden Spoon

Having spoken now on the phone, I think you're wrong about that.

I certainly know that not a lot has happened over here for sometime, and if so, then I apologise but I haven't heard anything, (it certainly hasn't been on the scale that existed before).

Good luck though, to Tito , for at least trying to turn things around here, but I have to say that I'm suprised he didn't know about the 3 branches that were formerly this way.

Jimmy Carver

I thought it neccesary to clear up a misunderstanding, on the part of "C Stream", who seems to suggest that I was "sacked by Richard Suchorzewski" - whilst actually, I was working for Roger Knapman, as his political assistant.

I don't know where this misunderstanding stems from, (although I know full well, that this infactual comment was banded about during the last leadership election).

Richard, as I'm sure he would confirm, is fully aware that we both agreed to disagree on many issues, resulting in my decision to move on. Rather than being "sacked", it was plain and simple that Richard and I had our differences, that was all there was to it. That is why I never once publicly criticised him during his leadership bid, nor did I feel the need to launch any unneccesary attacks against him, that have been seen so often before in UKIP. There are a few noisy people on the fringes, and outside of UKIP, who consistently briefed against me, and it may well be that this is where "C Stream's" confusion stems from.

I actually carried on working as Roger's political assistant for another six months before finishing my six year stint working as a UKIP political assitant.

Despite the inference that I appeared to have "held Wales back", I am justly proud of UKIP Wales jumping from four candidates in the 1997 election to 32 out of 40 in the 2005 election, (including me in Preseli Pembs). Before this there were 25 Assembly candidates in 2003 and laterly, as previously pointed out, nearly 100,000 votes, and fourth place in the 2004 Euro elections). UKIP Wales has some great people in it, and I'm proud of the numerous kind votes of thanks on my behalf, as well as the very kind words from a number of activists I received after moving on.

I even turned down a personal request from both the current RO, John Bufton, (whom I have always remained on good terms with), and the current party chairman to return to the fold to help with the recent Assembly election - Hardly the sort of thing to ask of someone who had been "sacked" for their incompetence!

I trust that this finally clears up this misunderstanding. All it leaves me to say is hello and goodbye to some of the names I recognise on this board, especially Roger Thomas, who, as well as being another long suffering Hammers fan, has worked consitently hard for UKIP Wales over the years, and deserves much credit. Indeed, an unsung hero!

Best wishes to all who remember me, even Richard if he reads this! No hard feelings, honest!

Independent UKIP

Overlooking that some of those stats don't fully concur with my understanding (eg I have marked down 2 candidates in 1997 as opposed to your 4 (I see Newport West & Vale of Clwyd)) I congratulate you & UKIP Wales on the acheivements in 2004 and 2005. I am interested in what happened in 2007. UKIP had fewer constituency candidates in 2007 compared to 2003. After Farage became leader the NEC reversed a decision to only contest the Welsh top-up seats and thus also contest constituency seats where appropriate candidates could be found - too little too late in my opinion.

I wonder if you know & can also say who after the 2003 Assembly elections proposed and/or supported the decision to only contest the top-up assembly seats. I would like to know because that was a devastatingly bad decision in my opinion and if the promoters and/supporters of that decision are still on the NEC I think the members of UKIP should know about it.

C_steam

:twisted: Just proving who you really were, Mr Spoon. Hook, line and sinker.

Why don't you refer to your earlier posts "Once? Pretty **** for an RO, and you really should be a member............