The smoking ban

Phil Sheldon · 02-05-2007, 09:19 PM

Just an observation... :wink:

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/page.aspx?page_id=10

Tobacco Tax

The tax raised through the sale of tobacco products continues to be a major source of revenue for the Government, contributing around £10 billion annually. This is, according to the Treasury, equivalent to almost 3 pence on the basic rate of income tax or 12 pence on the top rate of income tax. --My Bold--
It has been the policy of successive Governments to maintain a high level of tax on tobacco products in order to reduce tobacco consumption and the prevalence of smoking. Between 1993 and 2000 a tobacco duty 'escalator', which saw year-on-year increases in tobacco duty ahead of inflation, was implemented with the aim of reducing consumption still further.

This policy has resulted in taxes on tobacco products in the UK being amongst the highest in the world and comfortably ahead of those in other EU Member States. For example, the price of a typical pack of cigarettes in the UK is currently (Jan 2007) £5.33 while in Belgium the price is about £2.70 and in Spain its around £1.60. Prices in many of the newer Member States are even lower. (Click here for full details of EU cigarette prices.) The difference in the price of handrolling tobacco (HRT) is even more marked. A 50g pouch costing £10.80 in the UK can be bought in Belgium for less than £3.

(Part of the report)

I take the same view as NF, It's a matter of choice; not saying you should all go and smoke but let individual Landlords decide.

Current estimates for 2006-2007 Tobacco revenues is £10.5 Billion.
Smoking related diseases cost approx. £1.7 Billion.
http://www.ash.org.uk/html/smuggling/html/whytax99.html.

As an aside, our eldest son, who installs Home automation, is now talking to pub and club landlords about installing all-weather TV's that can be used in the open so that sports fans can enjoy a smoke with their pint(s).
Most of our local landlords are now grumbling about reduced takings due to the non-smoking ban.
I also think that if you want to visit either a smoking or non smoking pub/club you should have a free choice.
IMHO.

Besoeker · 02-05-2007, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g hall

I prefer to stand upwind of a smoker unless they roll their own

You approve of incest????
:wink:

Besoeker · 02-05-2007, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Sheldon

Just an observation... :wink:

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/page.aspx?page_id=10

Tobacco Tax

The tax raised through the sale of tobacco products continues to be a major source of revenue for the Government, contributing around £10 billion annually. This is, according to the Treasury, equivalent to almost 3 pence on the basic rate of income tax or 12 pence on the top rate of income tax. --My Bold--
It has been the policy of successive Governments to maintain a high level of tax on tobacco products in order to reduce tobacco consumption and the prevalence of smoking. Between 1993 and 2000 a tobacco duty 'escalator', which saw year-on-year increases in tobacco duty ahead of inflation, was implemented with the aim of reducing consumption still further.

This policy has resulted in taxes on tobacco products in the UK being amongst the highest in the world and comfortably ahead of those in other EU Member States. For example, the price of a typical pack of cigarettes in the UK is currently (Jan 2007) £5.33 while in Belgium the price is about £2.70 and in Spain its around £1.60. Prices in many of the newer Member States are even lower. (Click here for full details of EU cigarette prices.) The difference in the price of handrolling tobacco (HRT) is even more marked. A 50g pouch costing £10.80 in the UK can be bought in Belgium for less than £3.

(Part of the report)

I take the same view as NF, It's a matter of choice; not saying you should all go and smoke but let individual Landlords decide.

Current estimates for 2006-2007 Tobacco revenues is £10.5 Billion.
Smoking related diseases cost approx. £1.7 Billion.
http://www.ash.org.uk/html/smuggling/html/whytax99.html.

As an aside, our eldest son, who installs Home automation, is now talking to pub and club landlords about installing all-weather TV's that can be used in the open so that sports fans can enjoy a smoke with their pint(s).
Most of our local landlords are now grumbling about reduced takings due to the non-smoking ban.
I also think that if you want to visit either a smoking or non smoking pub/club you should have a free choice.
IMHO.

Phil
Good points.
Particularly your last.

Phil Sheldon · 02-05-2007, 09:34 PM

Thank you kind sir

g hall · 02-05-2007, 09:50 PM

Besoeker

Quote:

You approve of incest????

keeps it in the family

depends what they roll in it - I have back pain

ROBERT FLAVELL · 03-05-2007, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Croucher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Besoeker

Any establishment that could gain extra business by banning smoking would already have done so.

Exactly the point

Probably 90% of my customers are smokers.

Rgds

Mark

So how much business are you losing from non-smokers like myself who go eleswhere?

g hall · 03-05-2007, 09:10 AM

devilskitchen

Quote:

t is worth pondering on the fact that the tetra-ethyl lead, used as an anti-bumping agent in leaded petrol, was replaced with benzene compounds. Benzene is a Class 1 carcinogen, cancer-causing by skin contact.

Aromatic benzene's used in unleaded petrol are extremely carcinogenic and this known and acknowledged by leading experts in the government.

An awful lot escapes every day when vehicles are refuelled.
In other countries there are breather systems which minimise this. Our government will not do it because any vapour and liquid thus captured goes back into the tanks to be resold and they will not give back the taxes paid on the recovered fuel, effectively meaning that the same fuel will be taxed again so the forecourt companies will not bring in the breather system.

So much for the Green and Health credentials of this government

mkpdavies · 03-05-2007, 10:09 AM

Quote:

So how much business are you losing from non-smokers like myself who go eleswhere?

Who cares? His pub, his choice.

Only there is no such thing as his pub now is there, because the state owns you and all you own now.

Mmmm, now let me think what concept that is based on.

Besoeker · 03-05-2007, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROBERT FLAVELL

So how much business are you losing from non-smokers like myself who go eleswhere?

I suppose pubs may lose some business for that reason.

But, as I said above, if pubs thought their takings would improve by going non-smoking, they would already have done so.
On the basis that few have, the loss of buisiness from non-smokers who choose to go elsewhere is outweighed by those customers who continue to patronise pubs where smoking is permitted.

I don't believe that non-smoking should be imposed on them as a legal requirement.

UKIP MAN · 03-05-2007, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Croucher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Besoeker

Any establishment that could gain extra business by banning smoking would already have done so.

Exactly the point

Probably 90% of my customers are smokers.

Rgds

Mark

Well mark it would appear that I will be putting you out of business with my smokers strike...

http://www.ukipman.co.uk/html/smokers_strike.html

http://www.ukipman.co.uk/talkingshop/viewforum.php?f=9

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02-05-2007, 09:19 PM	#31 (permalink)
Phil Sheldon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 587	Just an observation... :wink: http://www.the-tma.org.uk/page.aspx?page_id=10 Tobacco Tax The tax raised through the sale of tobacco products continues to be a major source of revenue for the Government, contributing around £10 billion annually. This is, according to the Treasury, equivalent to almost 3 pence on the basic rate of income tax or 12 pence on the top rate of income tax. --My Bold-- It has been the policy of successive Governments to maintain a high level of tax on tobacco products in order to reduce tobacco consumption and the prevalence of smoking. Between 1993 and 2000 a tobacco duty 'escalator', which saw year-on-year increases in tobacco duty ahead of inflation, was implemented with the aim of reducing consumption still further. This policy has resulted in taxes on tobacco products in the UK being amongst the highest in the world and comfortably ahead of those in other EU Member States. For example, the price of a typical pack of cigarettes in the UK is currently (Jan 2007) £5.33 while in Belgium the price is about £2.70 and in Spain its around £1.60. Prices in many of the newer Member States are even lower. (Click here for full details of EU cigarette prices.) The difference in the price of handrolling tobacco (HRT) is even more marked. A 50g pouch costing £10.80 in the UK can be bought in Belgium for less than £3. (Part of the report) I take the same view as NF, It's a matter of choice; not saying you should all go and smoke but let individual Landlords decide. Current estimates for 2006-2007 Tobacco revenues is £10.5 Billion. Smoking related diseases cost approx. £1.7 Billion. http://www.ash.org.uk/html/smuggling/html/whytax99.html. As an aside, our eldest son, who installs Home automation, is now talking to pub and club landlords about installing all-weather TV's that can be used in the open so that sports fans can enjoy a smoke with their pint(s). Most of our local landlords are now grumbling about reduced takings due to the non-smoking ban. I also think that if you want to visit either a smoking or non smoking pub/club you should have a free choice. IMHO.

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Phil Sheldon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 587	Thank you kind sir